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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg with gene and Chris and

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gene being a little bit under the

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weather today don't let me give you the

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details let's just say that if you hear

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me participating a little less than

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Chris will just appreciate Chris's

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effort and you'll understand or maybe

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some of you people don't really want to

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hear for me at all maybe I should just

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be silent you know I'm just gonna go

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away and hide somewhere no I'm not gonna

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do that anyway seriously we've received

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tons of comments about last week's

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episode with Derrel Sims the Alien

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Hunter and you know what if we were

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taking a Gallup poll he wouldn't score

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very high woody Chris apparently not

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unfortunately you know Daryl did leave

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some pretty wide open doors that several

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people have walked through that whole

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bit about blowing out a piece of DNA I

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really wanted to jump all over that but

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some things you have to just let drop I

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mean when you get stuff like that I got

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all these clumps of DNA on the floor My

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heavens yeah I mean I'm just immersed in

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DNA it's sticking to my fingers and when

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I walk over there my shoes are being

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covered with this stuff yeah well you

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know I don't know what to say I think

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Daryl really means well he does a lot of

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pro bono you know work for people he he

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does attempt to help people you know

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very altruistic kind of way which I

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really admire and I respect him for that

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as far as some of the science and other

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things lots of holes in the in the

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presentation I must say but again you

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know I've known the guy 20 years and

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he's always been a straight shooter with

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me and you know I guess at some point

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you really do have to either accept

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accept somebody's word at face value or

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or just ignore it I call it into

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question what have you again I I do

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think that Darrell is how would I put

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this he's he's fairly I think certain

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about I think a lot of things that he

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deals with in his work and whether he's

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arrived at particular conclusions in a

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rock-solid way or not is open to

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interpretation obviously but least he's

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fairly convinced though of a number of

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things which were covered in the show

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and you know I I just I beg to differ

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with a lot of it obviously the whole

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hypnotic regression subject I think is a

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real hot potato issue I don't really

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think it's as an effective tool as

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Darrell does and others in in the

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abduction field but you know you got a

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hand to the guy he's really stuck with

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it and he's not doing this for I think

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for a fame or fortune I think he truly

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is trying to help people and I think he

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has been a help for people so I think

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everything that we want to say about him

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has to be at least grounded through that

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well you know some of the things that

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bother me is when he came up with a

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statement that three people we're going

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to analyze the DNA and kind of sort of

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backed out this is one of the problems

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we find that someone claims to have

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proof positive of something if we can

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put it all together but it never gets

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put together and I'm not going to

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criticize some people I'm just going to

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mention them for example we have Ted

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Phillips and Marley woods and we add

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them on several years ago and he was

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going to put up this website showing

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some of his evidence and the site

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started to go up and then stopped and I

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heard from him recently he'd like to

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come on again certainly we're happy to

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have him but we need more information

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about this case were the series of cases

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and this is what always happens and this

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is why the UFO field seems to go just so

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far and no farther because the final

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evidence is never there now back to

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Derrel Sims for a moment

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now the last time I talked to him was

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was actually almost seven years ago when

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we had him on the para cast for one hour

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and he seemed okay a little wacky as he

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did this time and I did a little

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opposition research before the episode

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to see just what information I could

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find if you look up information that's

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unfavorable about him now I realize

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people look up information that's

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unfavorable about everybody and there's

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not a lot a bad stuff about him the only

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thing I really found that was consistent

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was the fact that he had this

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falling-out with dr. Roger Leir over the

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matter of some of those implants he

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claims that Lear took the implants I

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don't know I wasn't there and certainly

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we should ask dr. Lear if we have them

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on again possibly we will in the near

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future that was about it

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now maybe people think that was theories

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state is so wacky that's not worth

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opposition research it's not worth

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tearing them apart they stand and fall

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on the basis of their credibility and

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maybe that's part of it

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because I know that when we booked him

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on the show we had an avalanche of

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questions we never got to all of them

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from listeners who questioned him well

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this guy is gonna be a wacky person I

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took a vote down the middle approach and

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questioning him myself which was to ask

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him some hard questions let him sink

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himself if that's what he's going to do

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work whit himself but you see from the

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listeners their viewpoint did not change

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that much from before the episode until

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after the episode mine so there you go

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yeah again I you know I don't really I

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haven't really been following his work

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as closely as I did back in the mid 90s

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I I must say that when he pulled out

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this jewelry box with all the little

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compartments in it and and each

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compartment had what was alleged to be

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alien implants or probably about 30 of

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them at that point I kind of had to

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scratch my head and go well geez how

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just looks like a piece of glass that

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looks like a tiny finishing nail

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that looks like you know calcified you

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know maybe piece of bone or tissue or

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something uh I didn't see anything that

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that appeared to me just on the surface

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to be something hi strange so you know

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and we didn't get into the whole I think

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he did didn't he do the the it was

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either John Stewart of The Colbert

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Report on Comedy Central and he you know

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he kind of played along with the jokes

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and everything but it really made him

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come across looking quite foolish and I

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wanted to ask him about how he felt that

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that that whole show and in his

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portrayal how he felt about that but

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maybe when he comes on in the future at

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some point we'll get a chance to ask him

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because I was a gas I just thought to

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myself oh boy if it had been me I

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wouldn't have said yes and God had

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gotten involved with you know an obvious

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comedy scenario so they did actually in

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politely declined so don't do that to

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Nancy Pelosi she was on one of those

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shows and I gathered she did very badly

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you have to know to go with the flow and

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go with the joke and have to have fun

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you have to laugh with them don't let

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them laugh at you well Darryl did that

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but they they really he did not come

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across I think in a way that he he was

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hoping or he was I'm sure he was a

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little bit taken aback from some of the

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things that they were saying and and

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everything but what can you do like you

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said you have to go over the flow

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sometimes so we'll just have him back

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and we'll get a chance to to get more

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insight into his process in his

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methodologies and in other cases he has

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helped a lot of people I think he

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mentioned the number 1500 at one point

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that's that's a lot of people too

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and - you know attempt to help so I mean

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that you gotta hand it to him at least

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in that regard how many people is he

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hypnotized or does he hypnotize people

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he does have some hypnosis training

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that's a good question for next time yes

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because we have all the concerns voiced

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about that and also somebody who clearly

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has a belief system it's so easy for

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them to consciously or subconsciously

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manipulate the questioning and this was

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a point that we raised and I want to get

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to in our next segment before we go into

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some of our questions from listeners

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well a lot more people are joining up in

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the forums you notice that this week a

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lot more participation huge I haven't

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been in the forms that much because I've

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been ill but that's how it goes

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okay point we mentioned here and he

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mentioned it to Sims is that a lot of

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times the cases handled by researchers

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seem to reflect their point of view so

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for example dr. David Jacobs is dealing

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with alien hybrids and he believes that

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millions of people have possibly been

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subjected to alien abductions and

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therefore the cases he tends to bring

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out tend to reflect that point of view

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not that it's not genuine understand but

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seems that we attract what we want to

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believe or investigate yeah yeah I did

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ask that question I don't really

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for him answering it very directly it is

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an interesting aspect of the UFO field

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in general the fact that the field has

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this reflective attitude this is

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something I remember reading from John

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keel back in what the sixties and

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seventies but he said to run is an

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invitation to be chased so the

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phenomenon runs after you you try to run

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away that may not be the best idea right

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good analogy indeed we have loads and

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loads and loads as I say loads you said

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loads okay from our listeners questions

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in anticipation of this episode we only

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announced it one day in advance ok but

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we do this every few months to kind of

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give listeners a chance to question us

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and also talk about issues of the day in

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the paranormal field we got loads and

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loads of questions like can I say loves

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you said loads more than ever and I

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think it's partly because we are have

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additional listeners now who are joining

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us so Chris let's start with a few

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questions and see where it takes us ok I

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mean there's like you said quite a

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number of them so we'll try to get to as

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many as we can the first one comes from

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Steve see who jumped right in within

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minutes of uh of posting the question

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Bank thread and he would like to have us

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discuss the friendship UFO tall white

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alien case out of Chile in 1984 and the

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Caloris Brazil chupa UFO cases from the

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late 70s and what do you think of the

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friendship a UFO case I'm not really

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that familiar with it are you no I'm not

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hmm no all right can't help you there

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Steve on that one I'll have to do a

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little research myself to get up to

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speed now I do know about the Caloris

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Brazil UFO flap at the mouth of the

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Amazon I do based on Bob Pratt's book

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the work Jacques filet in the chapter

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that he wrote in his book

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confrontations I think it's been fairly

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well established that the hunters who

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were waiting in trees at night for game

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to go by and then where it was some sort

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of particle beam like I guess I would

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call it a weapon from these flying

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refrigerator-sized glowing white objects

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that no they called tupis I do think

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that there is evidence fairly good

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substantial evidence that these people

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were hit by something a high strange

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there's photographs autopsy reports I

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just off the top of my head I do seem to

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recall a nurse who was involved with

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quite a number of these these victims

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and there it was covered fairly

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extensively in the newspapers of course

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AJ Guevara

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has done quite a bit of work on these

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cases and I think interviewed of several

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of the principals so I really do have a

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sense that that case is one of our best

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cases to demonstrate that Steven Greer

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doesn't know what he's talking about

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when he says that all UFOs and their

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occupants are benevolent and we

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shouldn't be wary of them or be in a

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place of fear even this runs totally

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counter to that particular opinion and

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and it's not the only case I've been in

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the cases to where people seem to have

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been attacked or physically hurt whether

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by design or inadvertently from from

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UFOs and in the you know the apparent

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occupants what do you think about

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Caloris have you done any study on that

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now study specifically I'm aware of it

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but you look here at all the cases that

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show possible disinterest or hostility

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on a part of UFOs I think any UFO

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abduction is a hostile act it's invasive

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its kidnapping I mean if I came to your

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house at night and I pulled you out of

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bed and dragged you into a spaceship and

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did physical examinations that's a nice

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thing to do how can anyone say that an

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abduction is a benevolent or friendly

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act it's not

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well on the surface yeah you could make

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the argument that possibly it's being

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done for our good

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it's like animals being tagged and in

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the wild by humans being studied

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possibly there's some sort of medical

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work that's being done now all these are

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just obviously just what-if scenarios

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but I think the whole idea that they

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Greer for instance promotes is that all

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abductions are done by the US government

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that they're all whether they call them

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my labs or something military abductions

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again III just I you can't just take a

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one-size-fits-all approach and answer

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these types of questions with one

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blanket statement or one answer I it

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just doesn't it doesn't work so I agree

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with you that the abduction phenomenon

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aspects of it are horrific and people

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are traumatized so anyway that's kind of

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where I come down on that do you think

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the Caloris case is it is a very very

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good example of of the potential for

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harm the cattle mutilation phenomenon

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for instance if it does have some sort

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of off-planet extraterrestrial

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involvement which I personally think is

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one of the least likely scenarios but on

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the surface I mean if you're a rancher

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and your your herd is is targeted I mean

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that's not a benevolent act and it does

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have the appearance of something very

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horrific and very negative so you know

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we really have to we have to temper our

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enthusiasm and our you know our want to

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believe or want it to be all positive I

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think that that's that's just not it's

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not an effective answer or an approach

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to the to the whole scenario well there

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could be different interest involved

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even assuming et is involved it's alien

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could be more than one race where it

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could be more than one faction or

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country or whatever of a particular race

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of people they have different interests

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different concerns

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and as you said with abductions they may

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not even regard us as intelligent beings

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worthy of any respect at all so if what

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they do is harmful they just don't care

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so I can't go along with Greer there's

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always too many exceptions with gene and

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Chris talking shop you're in the para

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566
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569
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:02,960
getting better hi this is Don Ecker and

570
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,110
you are tuned in to the para cast let me

571
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:08,000
tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

572
00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:10,730
here that you probably won't hear

573
00:27:17,620 --> 00:27:15,260
anywhere else here that George Noory on

574
00:27:19,330 --> 00:27:17,630
the para cast with Gene and Chris we're

575
00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:19,340
doing a talk shop episode and we're

576
00:27:23,290 --> 00:27:21,140
answering your questions I tell you

577
00:27:26,170 --> 00:27:23,300
right now in the last few weeks

578
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:26,180
as our listeners have increased we've

579
00:27:29,050 --> 00:27:27,830
gotten more and more questions and it

580
00:27:30,550 --> 00:27:29,060
gets more and more difficult to answer

581
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:30,560
every one but we're gonna do our level

582
00:27:34,810 --> 00:27:32,690
best there are tons of questions we're

583
00:27:36,490 --> 00:27:34,820
going to try to get through some of them

584
00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:36,500
we can just say I don't know and go to

585
00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:38,360
the next one Chris well the last

586
00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:40,220
question that Steve C is posing here is

587
00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:42,350
about bill burns and how he could let

588
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:44,630
UFO magazine go under because of default

589
00:27:49,780 --> 00:27:47,570
when he's a publisher and an attorney by

590
00:27:52,390 --> 00:27:49,790
trade well I'm gonna have to let Jeanne

591
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,400
kind of go with that one because I

592
00:27:55,770 --> 00:27:54,080
really am not familiar with it with the

593
00:28:00,130 --> 00:27:55,780
whole scenario that's surrounding the

594
00:28:04,690 --> 00:28:00,140
demise of UFO magazine what do you think

595
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:04,700
well okay so we have this this company

596
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:08,780
this individual whoever buys UFO

597
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:12,050
magazine from Donn and Vicki Ecker and

598
00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:14,330
bill and Nancy burns are given the task

599
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,760
of being publishers now I don't want to

600
00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:18,080
spend a lot of time with this there too

601
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:19,580
many questions to deal with but

602
00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:22,190
evidently the publisher of UFO magazine

603
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,070
the owner notified bill and Nancy burns

604
00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:30,320
we're gonna sell it you no longer have a

605
00:28:36,430 --> 00:28:33,260
license to publish so that's it I guess

606
00:28:38,110 --> 00:28:36,440
they're gonna be doing something else I

607
00:28:41,140 --> 00:28:38,120
don't know whether it has a paranormal

608
00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:41,150
bent or not but understand for the past

609
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:43,640
couple of years UFO magazine has

610
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:46,070
appeared with less and less frequency

611
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:49,070
they tried to go all digital some months

612
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:51,290
back I think with one issue and I know

613
00:28:56,020 --> 00:28:54,050
if I owned the magazine and I don't know

614
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:56,030
the reasons behind this so I'm not going

615
00:29:01,390 --> 00:28:58,370
to blame Bill and Nancy burns about

616
00:29:04,030 --> 00:29:01,400
anything but if I didn't see the

617
00:29:05,890 --> 00:29:04,040
magazine prospering if I didn't see

618
00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:05,900
regular publication I'd say you know

619
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,190
this is not working out

620
00:29:13,550 --> 00:29:10,620
that's it the thing it bothers me is

621
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:13,560
that nobody will identify the publisher

622
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:15,630
and we looked it up and someone

623
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:17,100
connected with the motion picture

624
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:20,550
industry it's registered as the one who

625
00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:25,410
filed for the corporation UFO magazine

626
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:27,990
incorporated but why would a motion

627
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:29,880
picture company or a motion picture

628
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:34,020
producer or packager by a UFO magazine

629
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:35,880
doesn't make sense to me in any case I

630
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:39,090
did write to bill burns and he did

631
00:29:42,650 --> 00:29:40,890
indicate once the dust settled maybe

632
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:42,660
later this year he would be willing to

633
00:29:48,770 --> 00:29:45,570
come on and tell us the story so there

634
00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:48,780
you go for now UFO magazine is history I

635
00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:52,920
guess if someone has the money to invest

636
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:54,900
and wants to buy UFO magazine there you

637
00:29:59,420 --> 00:29:57,690
go I mean we've heard pros and cons

638
00:30:02,950 --> 00:29:59,430
about the current content but there's a

639
00:30:06,050 --> 00:30:02,960
great history a very solid material from

640
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:06,060
Donn and Vicki Acker and I'd like to see

641
00:30:13,580 --> 00:30:08,850
that preserved no yeah I guess the best

642
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,590
place to go would be the horse and let

643
00:30:18,260 --> 00:30:15,360
the horse speak for itself on this one

644
00:30:20,050 --> 00:30:18,270
again I I've just been saddened by the

645
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:20,060
way it's gone downhill over the past

646
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:24,290
years since Donn and Vicki gave it up I

647
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:27,870
don't know it is just filled with too

648
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:30,510
many columns not enough quality stories

649
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:33,210
the investigative aspect of it has

650
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,360
totally disappeared there's a lot of new

651
00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:39,000
agey kind of frou-frou stuff now and and

652
00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:40,830
i just don't think i think it's apples

653
00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:43,230
and oranges fate magazine would be a

654
00:30:47,890 --> 00:30:45,630
good example of one publication that's

655
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:47,900
managed to kind of ride the fence on

656
00:30:54,650 --> 00:30:51,150
uncon tent but UFO magazine should be

657
00:30:57,620 --> 00:30:54,660
about UFOs and it should be more nuts

658
00:31:00,800 --> 00:30:57,630
and bolts in my opinion like it was back

659
00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:00,810
in the in the 90s well I do know of one

660
00:31:03,170 --> 00:31:02,100
example which I won't mention here

661
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:03,180
because there's too much controversy

662
00:31:08,270 --> 00:31:05,460
where they actually tried to become like

663
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:08,280
a National Enquirer and take a gossipy

664
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:10,590
approach to one case involving a problem

665
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:13,020
that one particular investigator had

666
00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:14,700
with his subjects I won't lantian it

667
00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:17,670
here because every time Chris or I say

668
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:19,350
one or two words about it

669
00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:20,850
mentioning names

670
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:22,470
Semih were right like hundreds of

671
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,080
thousands of words about it so okay

672
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:27,120
let's see what happens with UFO magazine

673
00:31:33,639 --> 00:31:30,899
my opinion is based on the history of

674
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:33,649
any UFO publication once they're gone

675
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:38,220
they're gone let's move on okay techno

676
00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:43,500
mage it has six questions here and he is

677
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:46,830
a fairly new addition to the forum

678
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:51,299
podcast comm family and his first

679
00:31:54,499 --> 00:31:52,470
question is a good one

680
00:31:57,139 --> 00:31:54,509
and I'll attempt to answer it and I'll

681
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,149
throw it over to Eugene why our research

682
00:32:00,740 --> 00:31:59,399
is not eager to share their data I've

683
00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:00,750
heard this from Ted Phillips ray

684
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,460
Stanford Dale Sims Roger Leir and

685
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:04,080
several others it seems like they're

686
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:05,460
going about it the wrong way and

687
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:07,620
progress won't be made if they're the

688
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:10,620
only ones who have the evidence well I

689
00:32:14,779 --> 00:32:11,850
don't want to sound like a broken record

690
00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:14,789
here but let's go down the list Ted

691
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:16,350
Phillips is under a nondisclosure

692
00:32:23,779 --> 00:32:20,340
agreement and cannot disclose because of

693
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:23,789
the funding source it has a muzzle on

694
00:32:29,419 --> 00:32:25,860
him ray Stanford doesn't care if people

695
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,429
know he's still busy getting his data

696
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:31,440
together it will be presented to the

697
00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:33,240
scientific and academic communities

698
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:36,870
before this public made public we just

699
00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:37,830
heard from Derrel Sims

700
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:42,299
and we heard his take on some of the

701
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:44,460
things he's working on I think Daryl is

702
00:32:52,129 --> 00:32:49,019
fairly transparent you know people you

703
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:52,139
got to understand you can't present all

704
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:53,940
this stuff out into the public realm and

705
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:56,730
expect any sort of real serious

706
00:33:02,570 --> 00:32:59,610
scientific scrutiny I think the email

707
00:33:04,629 --> 00:33:02,580
would catch them Fiasco is a perfect

708
00:33:07,009 --> 00:33:04,639
illustration of what happens when

709
00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:07,019
important information of a scientific

710
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:09,419
nature is not properly handled and

711
00:33:15,610 --> 00:33:13,200
released in a way that is acceptable to

712
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:15,620
the scientific and academic communities

713
00:33:21,619 --> 00:33:19,620
dr. Roger Leir I you know again I really

714
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:21,629
don't know too much about what he has

715
00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:23,970
pending I remember he made quite an

716
00:33:29,539 --> 00:33:25,830
amazing statement about five six years

717
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:29,549
ago at the X conference about an implant

718
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:32,700
that was transmitting and he said we're

719
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:34,230
gonna hear all about this very

720
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:36,690
and I've never heard a word about it

721
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:38,940
isn't that the way it always is though

722
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:40,710
someone says you're gonna hear about

723
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:42,990
this soon there's gonna be disclosure

724
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:45,210
we're going to reveal the information

725
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:47,370
that will knock your socks off

726
00:33:51,170 --> 00:33:49,080
yeah and the socks aren't knocked off

727
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:51,180
because none of it ever happens it gets

728
00:33:54,770 --> 00:33:52,530
back to what I was saying earlier

729
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:54,780
even with Derrel Sims he's got DNA

730
00:33:58,940 --> 00:33:57,570
evidence but the three scientists who

731
00:34:02,450 --> 00:33:58,950
were going to analyze it well they

732
00:34:04,580 --> 00:34:02,460
pulled out what well in the case of Reis

733
00:34:07,820 --> 00:34:04,590
Stanford he has shown his evidence to

734
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:07,830
some very very highly placed individuals

735
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,060
in the scientific community and I'm not

736
00:34:16,370 --> 00:34:14,940
allowed to share names but believe me

737
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:16,380
we're talking about some heavy hitters

738
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:19,740
and word is getting around about Ray's

739
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:24,060
work and more and more scientists and

740
00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:26,940
others are getting in contact with him

741
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:30,030
in getting personal presentations of

742
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:32,580
aspects of his work his work is volumous

743
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:36,000
so it could take literally a week to get

744
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:38,730
through it all and that's a week of full

745
00:34:43,870 --> 00:34:41,490
day's - I spent 14 hours and I was

746
00:34:47,090 --> 00:34:43,880
wasn't able to to get through the latest

747
00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:47,100
additions to the - his date data and his

748
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:51,150
analysis I don't think that people are

749
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:55,050
necessarily going about these you know

750
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:57,780
these processes the wrong way as it's

751
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:01,440
being couched here it's like there's a

752
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:04,080
neat there's need-to-know issues here in

753
00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:06,750
in some regard now if it comes to some

754
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:08,780
layperson that has some great footage

755
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:11,990
that's one thing if it comes to anything

756
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:15,090
anecdotal I mean you know more power to

757
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:16,980
the person to get the word out about it

758
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:19,020
but when it comes to physical evidence

759
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:22,770
and analyzing data it has to be done

760
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,170
properly and you just can't go off nilly

761
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:28,160
willy and and spread this stuff all over

762
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:30,540
to titillate people in the public that

763
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:33,060
may not really have a need to know so

764
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:35,970
you know you just have to let these

765
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:38,220
people go about it at their own pace

766
00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:40,200
hope that they come up with something

767
00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:42,360
and give them encouragement instead of

768
00:35:46,610 --> 00:35:45,270
dogging them give them encouragement if

769
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:46,620
you're interested in a person's work

770
00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:47,569
contact

771
00:35:52,059 --> 00:35:49,670
privately I think taking potshots

772
00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:52,069
publicly against these people just

773
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:53,900
exacerbates the problem it makes them

774
00:35:57,699 --> 00:35:55,369
more reticent not to come out with their

775
00:35:59,650 --> 00:35:57,709
with their information maybe so but we

776
00:36:01,870 --> 00:35:59,660
still have that problem which is that we

777
00:36:05,709 --> 00:36:01,880
have people who claim to have very

778
00:36:07,959 --> 00:36:05,719
serious evidence demonstrating UFOs are

779
00:36:09,789 --> 00:36:07,969
real in some respect but we never see

780
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:09,799
the evidence and the problem is

781
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:11,690
traditional science is going to say put

782
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:13,940
up or shut up you've got to give them a

783
00:36:19,449 --> 00:36:16,880
reason because very few scientists get

784
00:36:21,759 --> 00:36:19,459
that reason to go out on the limb and

785
00:36:23,499 --> 00:36:21,769
make an effort to find out what's really

786
00:36:26,319 --> 00:36:23,509
going on so I understand there could be

787
00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:26,329
legitimate reasons and I respect the

788
00:36:32,380 --> 00:36:29,660
fact that you have seen things that race

789
00:36:33,789 --> 00:36:32,390
stanford has done but someday it's got

790
00:36:36,459 --> 00:36:33,799
to come out otherwise it's gonna go

791
00:36:38,979 --> 00:36:36,469
nowhere well Jean and Chris are talking

792
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:38,989
shop and answering your questions you're

793
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:48,570
[Music]

794
00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:52,310
a little right a little laugh but always

795
00:37:02,100 --> 00:36:55,030
independent-minded the genesis

796
00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:02,110
communications network GC and is there a

797
00:37:07,350 --> 00:37:05,380
secret UFO agenda to stranged creatures

798
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,360
from the darkest corners of the mind

799
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:10,000
roam the earth is there evidence for

800
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:13,090
mind control time travel or devious

801
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:15,910
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802
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894
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:09,520
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

895
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listening to the para cast

896
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:20,859
with Gina and Chris and the power cast

897
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:23,030
we're talking shop and I mentioned

898
00:41:28,510 --> 00:41:24,920
people like ray Stanford who's very

899
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sincere guy his more traditional

900
00:41:33,819 --> 00:41:30,170
scientific work has been praised

901
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:33,829
Washington Post written about him but he

902
00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:35,570
has kept his stuff close to the vest

903
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:38,270
people with a need to know or under NDA

904
00:41:42,010 --> 00:41:40,790
take a look at and like Chris Chris

905
00:41:44,410 --> 00:41:42,020
you've seen as evidence you've been

906
00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:44,420
impressed by it but we're reaching a

907
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dead end here when is somebody among all

908
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:49,190
these people when is somebody going to

909
00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:51,130
release something that's so compelling

910
00:41:55,810 --> 00:41:53,750
we can't dismiss it because otherwise

911
00:41:58,780 --> 00:41:55,820
the field goes nowhere if it's just

912
00:42:02,380 --> 00:41:58,790
gonna be well a bunch of private

913
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:02,390
researchers to accumulate evidence and

914
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:05,210
they stick in a lock box how does that

915
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:08,150
advance the UFO field you know well it

916
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,970
doesn't it doesn't and unfortunately in

917
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,280
the case of let's say Ted Phillips you

918
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:14,960
have someone that it has a muzzle on

919
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:17,359
because of he's beholden to the funders

920
00:42:23,309 --> 00:42:19,220
of his particular surveillance project

921
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:23,319
out there so it's really difficult I

922
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:27,230
have been trying my my darndest and with

923
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:29,060
gentle reminders with with you know

924
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:31,010
trying to bait him trying to go to him

925
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:33,890
ray Stanford is he's with slow

926
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,310
methodical and when he's ready to

927
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:39,680
present his work he will probably do it

928
00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:44,930
in a some sort of scientific form so you

929
00:42:50,140 --> 00:42:48,619
know I just I'm a is frustrated probably

930
00:42:52,270 --> 00:42:50,150
more so than most people when it comes

931
00:42:54,670 --> 00:42:52,280
to Ray the other individuals that were

932
00:42:57,550 --> 00:42:54,680
mentioned you know they all have their

933
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,560
various reasons and you know we're just

934
00:43:00,460 --> 00:42:58,640
gonna have to be patient

935
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:00,470
another question he has about Ted

936
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:02,089
Phillips is the cave and the Balkans

937
00:43:04,809 --> 00:43:03,230
that contains some kind of alien

938
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:04,819
technologies wondering if that's ever

939
00:43:11,470 --> 00:43:07,430
been found well correct me if I'm wrong

940
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:11,480
I I do believe that they know where it

941
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:13,369
is it's a question of whether it has

942
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:17,440
been excavated or has been analyzed

943
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:20,810
again some very important letters are in

944
00:43:24,910 --> 00:43:22,670
the a profiles that were written by the

945
00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:24,920
Czechoslovakian captain if memory serves

946
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:29,960
me correct to a pro and you know that's

947
00:43:33,730 --> 00:43:31,610
one of the things that Ted is

948
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:33,740
wanting to get his hands on some of the

949
00:43:37,870 --> 00:43:35,570
correspondence from that Czech captain

950
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:37,880
to Hynek which is in the a profiles

951
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:40,610
that's something something else that we

952
00:43:44,380 --> 00:43:42,370
can ask Ted about when we have him on

953
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:44,390
here's one for Eugene what are your

954
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:46,370
opinions on the moon landings I heard

955
00:43:49,390 --> 00:43:47,630
someone say that the first moon landing

956
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:49,400
couldn't have happened but others did

957
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:52,730
happen he mentions the wrong door size

958
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:54,590
on the lam or problems with spacesuits

959
00:43:58,570 --> 00:43:57,050
he says I haven't researched that so I'm

960
00:44:00,070 --> 00:43:58,580
assuming we landed on the moon but I'd

961
00:44:01,810 --> 00:44:00,080
like to know your opinions on this now

962
00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:01,820
didn't the Chinese claim that they

963
00:44:08,350 --> 00:44:06,380
actually photographed the tranquility

964
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,360
Bay and they they actually saw the

965
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:10,880
tracks or one of the landing sites they

966
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:13,370
saw the tracks from the astronaut on the

967
00:44:19,810 --> 00:44:17,660
the recent Chinese flyby I recall

968
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:19,820
something to that effect at this point

969
00:44:24,310 --> 00:44:21,770
you know no matter what major event

970
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:24,320
happens there is a conspiracy theory

971
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:27,920
about it so I know there are people even

972
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:30,710
in our forums who will tell you the moon

973
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:33,050
landing didn't occur now I was around

974
00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:35,330
when it did and I don't remember

975
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:37,940
anything about it that seemed incredible

976
00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:39,410
what's incredible to me is that after

977
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:42,980
the initial moon landing program ended

978
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:45,650
our space program essentially died we

979
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:47,450
can get more conspiracy theories but

980
00:44:51,460 --> 00:44:48,800
it's true with any one of these things

981
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:51,470
you know 9/11 wasn't what we thought it

982
00:44:57,310 --> 00:44:55,400
was a false flag it was generated by our

983
00:44:59,470 --> 00:44:57,320
government or allowed to happen because

984
00:45:01,690 --> 00:44:59,480
the Bush administration got what fifty

985
00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:01,700
five warnings about things but didn't

986
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:03,380
connect the dots there are a lot of

987
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:06,530
things you could say hindsight being

988
00:45:12,910 --> 00:45:10,310
better and foresight about why things

989
00:45:14,350 --> 00:45:12,920
happened there are a lot of things but

990
00:45:16,690 --> 00:45:14,360
it doesn't mean that there was a

991
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:16,700
conspiracy that we brought down a

992
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:19,010
building why do we do that it seems like

993
00:45:24,310 --> 00:45:20,810
everything has to conspiracy like for

994
00:45:27,250 --> 00:45:24,320
example Apple fixed of serious bug with

995
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:27,260
SSL verification SSL of course it's like

996
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you go to a company website or use

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secure email and you have this

998
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connection Secure Sockets Layer

999
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:37,610
connection a secure connection and in

1000
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:40,430
the recent Apple software for iPhone

1001
00:45:44,190 --> 00:45:43,520
iPad Mac there was a defect like an

1002
00:45:46,050 --> 00:45:44,200
extra line

1003
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,060
of code that's all it was but it made

1004
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:48,640
the verification not work and that could

1005
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:49,930
have caused problems because people

1006
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:51,849
could have pulled some stuff the stuff

1007
00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:54,010
didn't happen and we got one guy out

1008
00:45:59,339 --> 00:45:56,589
there saying well Apple knew about this

1009
00:46:02,190 --> 00:45:59,349
and they never fixed it until whatever

1010
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:02,200
they decided to fix it why would they

1011
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:03,310
allow that to happen

1012
00:46:08,579 --> 00:46:05,710
where's the motive why does a company

1013
00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:08,589
want to injure somebody which this could

1014
00:46:12,270 --> 00:46:10,540
have done because if anyone knew how to

1015
00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:12,280
exploit it they could steal your bank

1016
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:14,140
accounts all sorts of things again a

1017
00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:16,660
conspiracy but a conspiracy has to have

1018
00:46:25,170 --> 00:46:19,720
a motive has to have a reason has to

1019
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,180
have evidence no I agree and I do think

1020
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:27,040
we went to the moon I think possibly

1021
00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:30,400
some of the photographs and footage may

1022
00:46:36,030 --> 00:46:33,460
have been pre shot in case they needed

1023
00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:36,040
to use it that's that's always been

1024
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:38,470
that's always been a a curious

1025
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:40,329
possibility in my mind because there are

1026
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:43,030
some interesting anomalies in the

1027
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:46,570
photographs that can't be explained if

1028
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:48,070
you've ever done your research into this

1029
00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:51,910
subject of course Don Ecker has and he

1030
00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:53,260
would be a really good person to bounce

1031
00:46:58,079 --> 00:46:55,300
that particular question off of we got

1032
00:46:59,970 --> 00:46:58,089
to move on here are there any alien

1033
00:47:01,500 --> 00:46:59,980
abduction reports today are they done

1034
00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:01,510
with this type of interaction with us

1035
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:03,880
well I I wouldn't know how to answer

1036
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:05,650
that it seems like it's kind of fallen

1037
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:08,200
off the map quite a bit in the last five

1038
00:47:14,339 --> 00:47:11,290
or six years but up to ten years almost

1039
00:47:17,339 --> 00:47:14,349
I mean since then I guess the late 90s

1040
00:47:20,819 --> 00:47:17,349
it seems to really have have fallen out

1041
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:20,829
of the spotlight in terms of a subject

1042
00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:22,839
matter in the public's in the public

1043
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:27,190
realm I have only had as I mentioned I

1044
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:29,740
think before three or four abduction

1045
00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:31,450
claims and all the hundreds and hundreds

1046
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:33,940
and hundreds of cases that I've been

1047
00:47:40,770 --> 00:47:37,839
exposed to mostly from Colorado so I am

1048
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:40,780
NOT the person to really check with on

1049
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:44,050
that I do see a real deadening of

1050
00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:46,420
interest in it though I it seems to have

1051
00:47:50,099 --> 00:47:48,040
really kind of fallen off the map what

1052
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:50,109
do you think Jane you're right we seem

1053
00:47:54,839 --> 00:47:52,089
to always be talking about classic

1054
00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:54,849
abduction cases but not so much about

1055
00:47:58,610 --> 00:47:56,100
recent ones

1056
00:48:01,040 --> 00:47:58,620
not that there aren't recent cases now a

1057
00:48:04,070 --> 00:48:01,050
few years back we featured a guest named

1058
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:04,080
Doug and I know his real name and he was

1059
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,180
working with the late but Hopkins at the

1060
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:08,520
time and he had some pretty frightening

1061
00:48:15,110 --> 00:48:12,480
experiences that seemed to extend to a

1062
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:15,120
more recent timeframe so I guess they're

1063
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:18,270
happening but you know maybe people

1064
00:48:24,070 --> 00:48:20,730
would rather not talk about them anymore

1065
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:24,080
no it's not an easy thing to deal with

1066
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:26,970
Daryl did seem to have some fairly

1067
00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:29,130
current cases so evidently they're still

1068
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:32,070
going on but I don't think it's really

1069
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,380
kind of captured become part of the

1070
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,680
zeitgeist here in the you know the

1071
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:39,660
second decade of the 21st century I

1072
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:42,480
don't I just don't see it another

1073
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,010
question here is Chris what did the

1074
00:48:49,610 --> 00:48:47,760
aliens you saw look like well number one

1075
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:49,620
I never said they were aliens I just

1076
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:52,170
said they were non-human I did a

1077
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:53,880
complete description of this in the

1078
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,690
November 29 2009 show my first

1079
00:49:03,280 --> 00:48:59,520
appearance on it on the podcast as a

1080
00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:03,290
guest and I gave a full description of

1081
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:06,270
these beans that were about my height I

1082
00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:07,890
was seven so they're about three and a

1083
00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:10,830
half four feet tall they all carried

1084
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:13,350
identical there were three possibly four

1085
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:14,910
of them there seemed to be one a little

1086
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:16,670
taller in the back that was hiding I

1087
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:19,680
don't recall any features of their faces

1088
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:23,280
they seemed extremely skinny impossibly

1089
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:25,980
so I called them stick men and they all

1090
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:28,850
were carrying these two about two foot

1091
00:49:33,140 --> 00:49:31,710
glittering Spears as I called him they

1092
00:49:35,810 --> 00:49:33,150
were like these rods that they had in

1093
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,820
their hand other than that I think

1094
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:36,960
there's a whole blow-by-blow a

1095
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:39,960
description of the of the encounter

1096
00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:42,180
there was no communication nothing

1097
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:44,670
telepathic I was not I had no sleep

1098
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:45,540
paralysis

1099
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:48,600
I was totally awake and all the details

1100
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:52,020
were in that November 29 2009 appearance

1101
00:49:55,820 --> 00:49:54,180
that I made here at the para cast it was

1102
00:49:58,100 --> 00:49:55,830
one what do you think of those been rich

1103
00:50:01,760 --> 00:49:58,110
comments that he made about we have the

1104
00:50:03,830 --> 00:50:01,770
technology to take e.t home etc anything

1105
00:50:06,610 --> 00:50:03,840
you can imagine we've already we already

1106
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:06,620
can do it there have been a number of

1107
00:50:11,090 --> 00:50:08,730
comments that have been

1108
00:50:13,340 --> 00:50:11,100
ascribe to been rich of course who was

1109
00:50:16,220 --> 00:50:13,350
the head of the skunk works for Lockheed

1110
00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:16,230
for many years well we had Jan Hardison

1111
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:18,750
the new director for international MUFON

1112
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:21,450
on he was in the room and actually tried

1113
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:24,540
to get rich after the presentation to

1114
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:27,270
clarify some of the enigmatic comment

1115
00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:29,130
that he made at the hand some people

1116
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:31,230
have claimed that he was just joking

1117
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:34,230
according to Hardison he wasn't so I

1118
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:37,410
wasn't there I can't really give a

1119
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:40,260
definitive answer to that what do you

1120
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:42,570
think what were they jokes Jean were

1121
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,490
these real comments that he was serious

1122
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,520
about or was this just disinformation

1123
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:49,440
well harden has a pretty serious guy

1124
00:50:52,940 --> 00:50:51,180
that's the impression I got when we had

1125
00:50:55,580 --> 00:50:52,950
him on the show pretty straight ahead

1126
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:55,590
kind of guy and I expected he probably

1127
00:51:01,550 --> 00:50:58,110
did hear this but whether or not it was

1128
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:01,560
serious you know I have no idea he guy

1129
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:03,510
he may have been exaggerating I don't

1130
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:05,190
know that much about the fellows

1131
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:08,010
personal history but this is part of the

1132
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:09,510
problem with the UFO field we get all

1133
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:12,960
this stuff all this is tantalizing bits

1134
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:16,010
of information and we never nail it down

1135
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:19,230
it just hangs out there in the wind now

1136
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,760
it's enough to drive people crazy I know

1137
00:51:24,740 --> 00:51:22,440
why people just give up on the UFO field

1138
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:24,750
saying it's toxic because you get all

1139
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:26,760
the claims and you can't prove them gene

1140
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:29,310
and Kris are talking shop you're in the

1141
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,499
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1142
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1143
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1144
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:49,749
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1145
00:51:53,489 --> 00:51:51,430
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1146
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,499
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1147
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1157
00:52:19,499 --> 00:52:17,079
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1158
00:52:20,970 --> 00:52:19,509
again that's GC and live.com we the

1159
00:52:23,069 --> 00:52:20,980
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1160
00:52:24,690 --> 00:52:23,079
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1161
00:52:26,430 --> 00:52:24,700
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1162
00:52:26,970 --> 00:52:26,440
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1163
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,980
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1164
00:52:30,539 --> 00:52:28,720
forcing taxes to service debt this

1165
00:52:32,009 --> 00:52:30,549
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1166
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:32,019
stating a central bank issuing the

1167
00:52:34,769 --> 00:52:33,640
public currency is a greater menace to

1168
00:52:36,509 --> 00:52:34,779
the liberties of the people than a

1169
00:52:37,950 --> 00:52:36,519
standing army hi Ted I understand I'm

1170
00:52:39,779 --> 00:52:37,960
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1171
00:52:43,289 --> 00:52:39,789
that explains our monetary system call

1172
00:52:46,499 --> 00:52:43,299
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1173
00:52:51,210 --> 00:52:46,509
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1174
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:51,220
that's 800 686 to 237 if you owe the IRS

1175
00:52:56,460 --> 00:52:53,650
back taxes listen carefully

1176
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,470
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1177
00:53:01,079 --> 00:52:58,720
help more people than ever eliminate

1178
00:53:03,630 --> 00:53:01,089
their tax debts once and for all and now

1179
00:53:06,329 --> 00:53:03,640
thanks to Dan pillow you can get the tax

1180
00:53:08,970 --> 00:53:06,339
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1181
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:08,980
hi I'm Dan Cola I've helped thousands of

1182
00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:10,569
people reduce or eliminate tax debts

1183
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:12,460
they couldn't pay after more than 30

1184
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:14,049
years of experience dealing with the IRS

1185
00:53:18,329 --> 00:53:16,089
I can tell you there's no such thing as

1186
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:18,339
a hopeless tax case but the IRS has new

1187
00:53:22,049 --> 00:53:20,410
policies it's easier than ever to put

1188
00:53:24,029 --> 00:53:22,059
your tax debt behind you once and for

1189
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,039
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1190
00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:26,079
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1191
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:27,880
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1192
00:53:32,249 --> 00:53:29,710
go away by itself but you don't have to

1193
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:32,259
live in fear anymore call 803 four six

1194
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:34,329
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1195
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:35,710
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1196
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:37,569
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1197
00:53:41,309 --> 00:53:39,190
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1198
00:53:45,299 --> 00:53:41,319
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1199
00:53:47,729 --> 00:53:45,309
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1200
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:47,739
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1201
00:53:59,830 --> 00:53:56,130
[Applause]

1202
00:54:04,170 --> 00:53:59,840
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1203
00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:04,180
standard of paranormal radio and now

1204
00:54:13,870 --> 00:54:12,470
here's Jane Steinberg this is a

1205
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:13,880
fascinating episode this is a lot of fun

1206
00:54:17,470 --> 00:54:15,710
I kind of expect I wouldn't participate

1207
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,480
very much because I'm been down under

1208
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:20,000
the weather here since earlier this week

1209
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:23,870
but I'm managing I may disappear later

1210
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:26,960
in the show I may vanish in the haze or

1211
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:28,970
I'll just do some kind of hazy

1212
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:31,250
management depending on how it goes we

1213
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,300
have a lot of questions from you

1214
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,880
listeners when you heard about this you

1215
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,280
got like what days notice and we were

1216
00:54:40,570 --> 00:54:38,960
filled with more questions than will be

1217
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:40,580
able to handle let's try to go through

1218
00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:42,530
them pretty quickly Chris well we have

1219
00:54:47,770 --> 00:54:45,470
one from a recently joined member at

1220
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,780
forum dr. Peres cast calm calls himself

1221
00:54:52,930 --> 00:54:50,480
stool-pigeon just joined our club here

1222
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:52,940
Monday and he goes piggybacking on last

1223
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,650
week's episode I would love to hear Jean

1224
00:54:58,210 --> 00:54:56,480
and Chris discuss any first-hand

1225
00:55:00,550 --> 00:54:58,220
experiences they have had with

1226
00:55:01,060 --> 00:55:00,560
regression hypnosis how they feel about

1227
00:55:06,850 --> 00:55:01,070
it

1228
00:55:08,770 --> 00:55:06,860
been hypnotized Jean actually I've

1229
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:08,780
hypnotized people a few times when I was

1230
00:55:12,610 --> 00:55:10,490
a teenager I remember one particular

1231
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:12,620
instance I was maybe 18 or 19 years of

1232
00:55:18,370 --> 00:55:15,190
age I read a couple of books on hypnosis

1233
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:18,380
the I bought by mail-order and I said

1234
00:55:23,050 --> 00:55:19,910
you know let me try something here so we

1235
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:23,060
had this young man who smoked cigarettes

1236
00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:25,730
and I gave him a post hypnotic

1237
00:55:30,010 --> 00:55:27,500
suggestion that every time he tried to

1238
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:30,020
smoke a cigarette it would taste very

1239
00:55:36,070 --> 00:55:33,110
bitter and you know hypnotic suggestions

1240
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,080
don't last forever so for the first two

1241
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:38,480
times he tried it maybe three times

1242
00:55:43,660 --> 00:55:41,690
whatever he couldn't solve the cigarette

1243
00:55:45,370 --> 00:55:43,670
so he was about to give it up but then

1244
00:55:47,860 --> 00:55:45,380
his crazy friends came back at him and

1245
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:47,870
said hey why'd you smoke this cigarette

1246
00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:50,930
what happens next they wanted to see him

1247
00:55:55,930 --> 00:55:52,940
say the cigarette had a bitter taste

1248
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:55,940
well of course after the suggestion as

1249
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:58,970
they say faded away he became a smoker

1250
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:01,760
again so that was one of the few

1251
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:04,450
suggestions we also gave hypnotic

1252
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:11,540
not what you think

1253
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,570
but I was tempted and that was I was

1254
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,640
never hypnotized or at least I'm not

1255
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:20,400
aware of being hypnotized I've never had

1256
00:56:25,220 --> 00:56:23,670
the desire to be hypnotized so if people

1257
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:25,230
are going to suggest that maybe I'm too

1258
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:27,930
crazy and maybe a little hypnosis will

1259
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:30,630
help you're probably right it's probably

1260
00:56:35,330 --> 00:56:33,330
too late Chris I have been hypnotized in

1261
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:35,340
fact I was hypnotized by the first

1262
00:56:44,290 --> 00:56:38,040
licensed hypnotherapist in the United

1263
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:44,300
States dr. Ivar berkland back in I think

1264
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:45,690
1970-71

1265
00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:49,770
I went to him with my mother it was I

1266
00:56:55,090 --> 00:56:51,780
was kind of having some problems in

1267
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:55,100
school I wasn't really focusing very

1268
00:57:02,120 --> 00:56:58,440
well so this was a an attempt to

1269
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:02,130
possibly get me to become more settled

1270
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:04,290
down it was pretty wild to settle me

1271
00:57:09,740 --> 00:57:07,170
down and to get me back into you know my

1272
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:09,750
my what had been previously very very

1273
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:12,690
good grades and everything and I

1274
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:15,690
remember being hypnotized and there was

1275
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:18,570
a recording made of the session and I

1276
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:20,910
remember after the session the doctor

1277
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:24,720
and my mother seemed disturbed for

1278
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:25,770
summary that's the only way I can hear

1279
00:57:30,260 --> 00:57:28,200
they seemed closed mouth they wouldn't

1280
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:30,270
tell me what was wrong I was asked to

1281
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:32,010
leave the office and sit outside in the

1282
00:57:36,590 --> 00:57:34,740
waiting room they had a discussion my

1283
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:36,600
mom came out with the tape I asked her

1284
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:38,750
if we if I could hear and she says no I

1285
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:41,970
never did get an answer from her what

1286
00:57:47,570 --> 00:57:44,700
happened during that session I said

1287
00:57:51,010 --> 00:57:47,580
something that that freaked them out I'm

1288
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:51,020
not sure what it was I don't know if he

1289
00:57:57,859 --> 00:57:55,290
regressed me back to the experience I

1290
00:58:01,220 --> 00:57:57,869
had that was one thing that I I thought

1291
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:01,230
maybe it had happened but I never I

1292
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:03,780
never really pressed the issue other

1293
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:06,930
than that I have not been hypnotized I

1294
00:58:12,430 --> 00:58:10,050
have had many opportunities to be

1295
00:58:18,220 --> 00:58:12,440
regressed to find out more about my own

1296
00:58:20,540 --> 00:58:18,230
experience I have always declined I'm

1297
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:20,550
confident that I've been dealing with

1298
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:21,280
that put

1299
00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:24,400
Euler element that story element in my

1300
00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:25,000
life

1301
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:28,360
fairly well I don't need to potentially

1302
00:58:34,830 --> 00:58:31,800
open up some sort of Pandora's box and I

1303
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:34,840
think that obviously if someone has any

1304
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:37,420
sort of association with ufology they

1305
00:58:43,290 --> 00:58:41,440
would never ever go to somebody that had

1306
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,300
a professed interest in abduction

1307
00:58:47,820 --> 00:58:45,760
research I would only go to someone that

1308
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:47,830
absolutely had no interest in it at all

1309
00:58:54,990 --> 00:58:52,810
and if I do plan or decide rather to to

1310
00:58:58,910 --> 00:58:55,000
become regress to find out more about my

1311
00:59:01,590 --> 00:58:58,920
experience that would be that that

1312
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:01,600
there's no way I would go to someone

1313
00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:03,310
involved in any way shape or form in

1314
00:59:08,190 --> 00:59:03,880
ufology

1315
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:08,200
so moving right along we've got a number

1316
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,930
of questions from techno major I'm not

1317
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,000
sure if we can cover to cover these it's

1318
00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:18,640
about his wife has had some very

1319
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:20,950
interesting experiences we'll get to

1320
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:28,320
what's the reality of getting a decent

1321
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:29,890
Convention together you can make a

1322
00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:30,490
commercial

1323
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:32,980
by having Fight Club debates talking to

1324
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:34,810
heard Chris O'Brien versus Linda moldy

1325
00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:36,970
cow it would be nice to have a really

1326
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,190
talk class State of the Union address

1327
00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:40,960
about the field of UFOs laying out the

1328
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:42,750
various claims and problems key cases

1329
00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:45,160
top this off with earth-shattering

1330
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:47,560
evidence so we've been waiting for from

1331
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:55,110
you know what not sure what to make of

1332
01:00:00,140 --> 00:59:56,770
that one we have talked about having a

1333
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,150
para caste convention conference but I

1334
01:00:06,510 --> 01:00:03,520
have you heard the latest on on the UFO

1335
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:06,520
Congress no I have not I have not

1336
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,950
anything about it going around I was

1337
01:00:14,580 --> 01:00:10,960
wondering if you possibly heard anything

1338
01:00:16,110 --> 01:00:14,590
about this that the prior the guy that

1339
01:00:19,170 --> 01:00:16,120
started the conference along with his

1340
01:00:20,970 --> 01:00:19,180
wife Bob Brown his wife know Terry has

1341
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:20,980
passed away Bob sold

1342
01:00:27,390 --> 01:00:24,370
I thought the conference to John Waylan

1343
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:27,400
opened minds but from what I'm hearing

1344
01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:30,900
there was a five-year take-back clause

1345
01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:34,360
that within five years if Bob wanted to

1346
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:37,960
assumed control of the of the UFO

1347
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:40,570
Congress that he had that right to do

1348
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:43,170
that now I'm hearing that the next

1349
01:00:48,030 --> 01:00:46,210
scottsdale version with open minds may

1350
01:00:51,930 --> 01:00:48,040
be their last and the conference may

1351
01:00:53,490 --> 01:00:51,940
move to Las Vegas and I do I seem to

1352
01:00:57,420 --> 01:00:53,500
remember hearing that I think Bob

1353
01:00:59,970 --> 01:00:57,430
retains the ownership of the actual name

1354
01:01:01,800 --> 01:00:59,980
the International UFO Congress have you

1355
01:01:04,380 --> 01:01:01,810
heard anything about this gene I don't

1356
01:01:06,810 --> 01:01:04,390
follow that kind of scuttlebutt honestly

1357
01:01:10,410 --> 01:01:06,820
and I have not heard much in the wake of

1358
01:01:13,740 --> 01:01:10,420
the last conference as to how well it

1359
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:13,750
did I know their reach to the media was

1360
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:15,730
not as good as previous conventions

1361
01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:17,290
let's just leave it there we don't know

1362
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:19,630
as far as there being an official para

1363
01:01:24,450 --> 01:01:21,910
Cass convention we had talked it over

1364
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:24,460
with one of the members of our forum

1365
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:26,770
moderating staff but he has had some

1366
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:28,330
personal issues to resolve

1367
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:31,690
and so his participation was put off for

1368
01:01:36,270 --> 01:01:33,810
a while as with everything else

1369
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:36,280
conventions are really really difficult

1370
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:39,010
they're really expensive we'd have to

1371
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:41,850
look for a money source or go to what

1372
01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:45,130
GoFundMe or Kickstarter campaign to

1373
01:01:50,730 --> 01:01:47,980
raise funds for a convention and I don't

1374
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:50,740
know how many of these events actually

1375
01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:53,650
even make back the investment I'd be

1376
01:01:59,010 --> 01:01:56,260
interested in doing it but I'm skeptical

1377
01:02:02,100 --> 01:01:59,020
I've tried it in the past many many

1378
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:02,110
years ago and we lost a little money it

1379
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,510
was fun I just don't know that it was

1380
01:02:07,650 --> 01:02:06,400
worth the effort you know well I think

1381
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:07,660
it's an outmoded way to present

1382
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:09,250
information I think that's an old-school

1383
01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:11,530
way you got people that travel somewhere

1384
01:02:15,180 --> 01:02:13,540
you don't put get you know butts in the

1385
01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:15,190
seats type thing I think the Internet's

1386
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:18,070
and the younger generations coming up

1387
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:20,410
are not interested in that particular

1388
01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:23,680
method of relating information to the

1389
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public I think something like going to a

1390
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:29,940
Netflix and doing some kind of pay

1391
01:02:37,770 --> 01:02:34,930
routine yeah I mean a streaming video of

1392
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,780
a convention we have to find obviously a

1393
01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:39,760
corporate sponsor you know are more

1394
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:41,950
corporate sponsors and this is something

1395
01:02:46,650 --> 01:02:44,230
where to see it you'd have to pay

1396
01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:46,660
I know Apple TV and other streaming

1397
01:02:50,420 --> 01:02:47,830
services have

1398
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different services where you can have a

1399
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pay-per-view situation you can do that

1400
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with the major cable and satellite

1401
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providers but obviously we wouldn't want

1402
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:01,990
it to be on a single device because what

1403
01:03:06,540 --> 01:03:04,450
happens there is that it limits our

1404
01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:06,550
audience but that's one possibility some

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01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:09,040
kind of pay-per-view event or maybe do

1406
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:11,590
it online ourselves set up the streaming

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01:03:16,110 --> 01:03:13,450
architecture and see what happens and

1408
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:16,120
this way you don't have to be there but

1409
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there is still something I know it's an

1410
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old-fashioned concept but there's

1411
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something about meeting people

1412
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face-to-face talking to people and just

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having canned events or having events to

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an online interactive audience a virtual

1415
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audience doesn't have the same feeling

1416
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to me I'm getting old I guess we're

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talking shop with Jean and Chris he's

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you're in the podcast first game attack

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1526
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there you go should we hold an official

1527
01:08:17,309 --> 01:08:14,949
power cast convention a pay-per-view

1528
01:08:20,249 --> 01:08:17,319
event what should it be but don't you

1529
01:08:22,769 --> 01:08:20,259
agree with me Chris that yes the kids

1530
01:08:25,559 --> 01:08:22,779
don't go to these conventions the last I

1531
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:25,569
ufoc I went to last year I don't

1532
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:28,329
remember that many people under 50 yeah

1533
01:08:31,519 --> 01:08:29,650
that's true the average age is

1534
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:31,529
definitely over fifty no question

1535
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:37,049
probably closer to 60 out ruction no

1536
01:08:43,589 --> 01:08:40,000
okay well let's move on Birds State he's

1537
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:43,599
always got some interesting questions it

1538
01:08:49,470 --> 01:08:46,319
was one in here that I particularly

1539
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:49,480
can't wait to answer but his first

1540
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:52,449
question is and of course he did post

1541
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:54,130
this question on the question thread

1542
01:08:59,399 --> 01:08:57,520
which is on forum dr. Peric ask.com

1543
01:09:01,709 --> 01:08:59,409
where you can go and ask questions of

1544
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:01,719
our guests and he goes no hemming or hi

1545
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:03,670
on our alien abductions actually

1546
01:09:07,379 --> 01:09:05,049
happening and please explain your

1547
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:07,389
thinking on this subject well we kind of

1548
01:09:12,959 --> 01:09:09,279
already did

1549
01:09:15,689 --> 01:09:12,969
I think abductions are a real phenomenon

1550
01:09:19,050 --> 01:09:15,699
but I don't think they are what people

1551
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:19,060
think they are I think much of this

1552
01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:25,600
is wrapped up in new myth kind of some

1553
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:27,880
sort of subterfuge going on screen

1554
01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:30,640
memories I think it's very complicated I

1555
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:33,670
don't think it's nuts-and-bolts UFOs

1556
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:36,100
coming down and sucking you out your

1557
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:39,310
window up into a craft I think the most

1558
01:09:43,770 --> 01:09:40,690
of these events are actually taking

1559
01:09:46,460 --> 01:09:43,780
place around you in your own space there

1560
01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:46,470
may be some dimensional aspect to it I

1561
01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:49,180
don't know I haven't spent enough time I

1562
01:09:54,540 --> 01:09:52,120
haven't had the interest nor have I had

1563
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:54,550
the case cases to actually study to

1564
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:56,110
really get into this whole phenomenon

1565
01:10:02,010 --> 01:09:59,920
I've always been very very leery of of

1566
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:02,020
it and there's just something about the

1567
01:10:08,970 --> 01:10:06,370
whole scenario that that's wrong and I

1568
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:08,980
really have a sense that it's much more

1569
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:11,520
complicated than what your standard

1570
01:10:17,730 --> 01:10:14,770
abduction researcher believes about Gigi

1571
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:17,740
do you remember a question I asked

1572
01:10:23,460 --> 01:10:19,770
several times of Derrel Sims last week

1573
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,470
what if the abduction experience itself

1574
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:26,080
is a scream memory to hide something

1575
01:10:31,710 --> 01:10:29,710
else yeah and he never understood that

1576
01:10:33,660 --> 01:10:31,720
he was trying to say well they give

1577
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,670
screen memories to prevent us from

1578
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:35,440
knowing that we're abducted no that's

1579
01:10:40,590 --> 01:10:37,570
not my question and he never really

1580
01:10:43,170 --> 01:10:40,600
answered it my question that's right my

1581
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:43,180
question was what if what you perceive

1582
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:45,670
to be the experience being taken aboard

1583
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,400
a spaceship being captured by alien

1584
01:10:53,370 --> 01:10:50,400
beings being subjected to physical

1585
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:53,380
examinations what if that is a screen

1586
01:10:58,650 --> 01:10:56,410
memory for some other event now I'm not

1587
01:11:01,740 --> 01:10:58,660
going to speculate what that event might

1588
01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:01,750
be I mean those who believe abductions

1589
01:11:08,670 --> 01:11:06,790
are military pranks would say hey yeah

1590
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:08,680
isn't that what dr. Greer says I'm

1591
01:11:12,990 --> 01:11:11,290
saying is we don't know what the real

1592
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:13,000
memory is I would think of an advanced

1593
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:15,610
civilization has the capability of

1594
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:18,510
flying here they have the capability of

1595
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:21,520
manipulating our minds so that we not

1596
01:11:26,940 --> 01:11:23,290
only couldn't see them like the shadow

1597
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:26,950
of the 1930s and 40s popes but we

1598
01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:28,690
wouldn't even know what the encounter

1599
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:31,060
really was if they want to hide it

1600
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:32,080
they're not so stupid

1601
01:11:37,730 --> 01:11:34,750
as to deliver a screen memory that can

1602
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:37,740
transparently be decoded by a simple

1603
01:11:41,210 --> 01:11:40,000
attempt to hypnotic regression if

1604
01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:41,220
they're going to go through the bother

1605
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:44,350
what are they really doing you know

1606
01:11:50,190 --> 01:11:48,130
well again like I said I I really am

1607
01:11:52,980 --> 01:11:50,200
fairly agnostic about about this whole

1608
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:52,990
subject because I just I don't know I

1609
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just haven't had the compulsion to

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really really dive into it of course

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01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:01,390
I've read quite a number of books on the

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subject but in terms of really diving

1613
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,610
into it and getting involved as an

1614
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:08,560
investigative into this realm I haven't

1615
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had the cases that would justify that so

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I'm really the wrong guy to ask about it

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I don't know enough about it and but

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what I do know is that it there's

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something way more complex going on than

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meets the eye and I think Jeanne may you

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know you maybe kind of hit the nail on

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the head with it I mean obviously these

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are people that are being traumatized

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and I don't think that all of them are

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just experiencing sleep paralysis or

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temporal lobe epilepsy rather or other

1627
01:12:40,770 --> 01:12:38,530
mundane explanations that that debunkers

1628
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and and real skeptical types you use to

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to attempt to explain what people are

1630
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:45,100
going through I do think there is a real

1631
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:47,770
phenomenon what that actually is I don't

1632
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know okay moving along on Bert's state

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wants to know Chris you get critiqued a

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lot in the forums as being too eager to

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believe or for just being playing

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gullible let me address that first of

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all okay this is something I will not

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help you Chris you're on your own you're

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out on the limb it's it's okay you know

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people people can take my enthusiasm any

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way you want

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if you think I'm eager to be even just

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playing gullible that's your prerogative

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I would argue that I'm that's a good

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front and in that if you really think

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that then I'm very effective at keeping

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people off guard in that in that sense I

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am extremely skeptical over much of what

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passes as phenomenal research and

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studies especially in the field of

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ufology I just I like to keep people at

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ease

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I like to give them enough rope so that

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they possibly show their true colors

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about the level of their their knowledge

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the the quality of their knowledge if

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you think that's being too eager to

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believe in gullible I'm doing a great

1659
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job okay where do you stand on the UFO

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phenomena in terms of ETH ultra

1661
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terrestrial interdimensional and he also

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wants to hear your views on this I'll

1663
01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:10,230
take it first okay

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01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:12,780
I think the UFO phenomenon is real I

1665
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don't think that it's nuts-and-bolts

1666
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craft coming from another planet

1667
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,880
although that is obviously an option and

1668
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you cannot rule it out I think that's

1669
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:25,980
the least likely explanation I think

1670
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we're dealing with something that has

1671
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probably been here longer than we have

1672
01:14:36,980 --> 01:14:33,090
it may have the capability to leave on

1673
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this planet but I do have a sense that

1674
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:40,890
Jacques Vallee and John keel and others

1675
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of their ilk are I think are on the

1676
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right track by thinking that this is

1677
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something that is much more closely

1678
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related to this planet in this closed

1679
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:52,820
system then your average true believer

1680
01:14:58,490 --> 01:14:56,370
is aware of and whether that's

1681
01:15:03,920 --> 01:14:58,500
dimensional whether it's ultra

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terrestrials meta terrestrials crypto

1683
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:06,060
terrestrials I don't know we don't have

1684
01:15:10,370 --> 01:15:07,770
enough information to really make that

1685
01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:10,380
determination but except for the work of

1686
01:15:14,330 --> 01:15:12,360
Ray Stanford I see nothing that

1687
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indicates that we are being visited by

1688
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beings from another solar system galaxy

1689
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,710
what have you I've said this many times

1690
01:15:24,230 --> 01:15:22,080
on the show and on the forums how about

1691
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:24,240
you gene I think the jury is still out

1692
01:15:28,670 --> 01:15:26,460
as to what's happening I mean very

1693
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recently in the last few years more and

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more possible earth-like planets are

1695
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being discovered in our nearby space

1696
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nearby space being you know a few

1697
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hundred light years away and certainly

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if conditions are amenable to life

1699
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advanced civilizations could arise there

1700
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so as far as the logic behind it is

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concerned it makes sense that maybe ET

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exists it also makes sense that ET might

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visit here but the problem is here is we

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can't prove

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that we could only prove something's

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happening that we cannot explain that

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can be photographed tracked on radar

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it leaves trace evidence people see and

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- these are beings but that doesn't

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prove what the end of these are some

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entities say hey we're et we're from

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elsewhere but why I believe the entities

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wouldn't they have a cover story to

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deliver to the local populace in case

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they were discovered and maybe they're

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not from there they're from someplace

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closer to home we're answering your

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thing where five six months go by and we

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just sit here and we talk and we kind of

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sit in front of the campfire and talk

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about the things that interests us or

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the things that interests you and we're

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getting through the questions one by one

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Chris describe this another question

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first off from burden state he's got

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four of them here this is question three

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describe some of the challenges and

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interviewing people you personally know

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when it comes to being critical of them

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that kind of goes back to the your prior

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question about me being too eager to

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believe or just being playing gullible

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you know people forget sometimes that

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nine out of ten guests on this show I

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know I have a personal relationship with

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many of them I account among my friends

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and associates so that's a really good

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question it is not easy asking tough

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questions at times of people that you've

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known for twenty years or ten years or

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five years and have followed their work

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that is a constant tightrope back that

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at least I have to do and I think for

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this show that if we are too tough on

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people and we we tear them a new one too

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many times we're not going to be able to

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get anybody on the show people just have

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an aversion to setting themselves up for

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you know a third degree routine so you

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have to be crafty about it you have to

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you know you have to ask questions that

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people do our guests feel are

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challenging questions and and forces

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them to you know maybe qualify their

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answers which most shows don't do but

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there is a fine line between you know

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actually attacking somebody and going

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over over the top

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with it I think the first couple years

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of the show for instance that this

1874
01:23:21,790 --> 01:23:19,550
happened a number of times and it's it's

1875
01:23:24,430 --> 01:23:21,800
really difficult for people to agree to

1876
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:24,440
be on a show if they have a suspicion

1877
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:26,690
that they're gonna really run into some

1878
01:23:33,340 --> 01:23:30,050
real hostility so I don't I can't really

1879
01:23:37,570 --> 01:23:33,350
answer for Jean but it is difficult

1880
01:23:39,010 --> 01:23:37,580
sometimes to really zero in and and ask

1881
01:23:42,490 --> 01:23:39,020
the tough questions with people that

1882
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,500
you've known for years so well I'll do

1883
01:23:47,860 --> 01:23:44,480
it sometimes the people that I've known

1884
01:23:49,870 --> 01:23:47,870
ya baited with but you have to hold your

1885
01:23:52,420 --> 01:23:49,880
tongue sometimes and you ask the

1886
01:23:55,660 --> 01:23:52,430
question or you ask a question that's

1887
01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:55,670
provocative in a gentle way and let the

1888
01:23:59,560 --> 01:23:58,130
answer fall and you don't follow up and

1889
01:24:00,010 --> 01:23:59,570
saying how can you say a dumb thing like

1890
01:24:02,380 --> 01:24:00,020
that

1891
01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:02,390
now sometimes we do we've had yes here

1892
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:04,240
where I've challenged them relentlessly

1893
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:07,310
but at the end of the day I'll still

1894
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:09,050
shake hands with them and they might be

1895
01:24:12,460 --> 01:24:10,970
perfectly nice people but maybe with

1896
01:24:13,690 --> 01:24:12,470
regard to their paranormal interests

1897
01:24:16,030 --> 01:24:13,700
they're goofballs or they're making

1898
01:24:18,940 --> 01:24:16,040
things up I don't know I think a lot of

1899
01:24:21,370 --> 01:24:18,950
times you have people who come on who

1900
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:21,380
may have wacky things to say but they're

1901
01:24:26,230 --> 01:24:23,330
not being deceptive they're just being

1902
01:24:28,330 --> 01:24:26,240
wackos what and that's it

1903
01:24:30,370 --> 01:24:28,340
so yes it's a fine line sometimes we

1904
01:24:33,940 --> 01:24:30,380
cross it one way sometimes we cross it

1905
01:24:35,890 --> 01:24:33,950
the other way but in this day and age

1906
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:35,900
we're not going to be Bill O'Reilly

1907
01:24:40,570 --> 01:24:38,210
every week now Bill O'Reilly will yell

1908
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:40,580
at people but remember Bill O'Reilly

1909
01:24:46,690 --> 01:24:43,370
gets $80,000 a day which is twice as

1910
01:24:49,810 --> 01:24:46,700
much as the average annual salary of any

1911
01:24:52,750 --> 01:24:49,820
American to basically be an entertainer

1912
01:24:56,170 --> 01:24:52,760
to scream and yell that's entertainment

1913
01:24:59,320 --> 01:24:56,180
that's Jerry Springer that's not getting

1914
01:25:01,300 --> 01:24:59,330
information from people you know good

1915
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:01,310
point well gene what are you taught

1916
01:25:07,410 --> 01:25:05,090
three favorite UFO incidents not

1917
01:25:09,730 --> 01:25:07,420
necessarily the most important or famous

1918
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:09,740
cases but the ones that really intrigue

1919
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:11,750
you I know that's a tough question it

1920
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:13,280
really is because I don't put those

1921
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:16,250
things in a box and try to figure it out

1922
01:25:22,669 --> 01:25:18,310
I think some of the early cases like

1923
01:25:25,609 --> 01:25:22,679
Washington National Airport in 1952

1924
01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:25,619
by radar stuff like that anytime you see

1925
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,260
cases like that they are significant in

1926
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:30,239
the sense of they seem to deliver a lot

1927
01:25:34,069 --> 01:25:32,159
of credible testimony impossible

1928
01:25:35,989 --> 01:25:34,079
credible evidence we can go to

1929
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:35,999
Stephenville Texas we can go to O'Hare

1930
01:25:40,939 --> 01:25:37,860
Airport to deal with more modern cases

1931
01:25:42,890 --> 01:25:40,949
but but the point is here is I don't

1932
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:42,900
know that there is necessarily a single

1933
01:25:48,649 --> 01:25:45,510
case or three cases now at the same time

1934
01:25:50,689 --> 01:25:48,659
I don't know that we should continue to

1935
01:25:53,330 --> 01:25:50,699
think that Roswell New Mexico is our

1936
01:25:56,660 --> 01:25:53,340
best case but some people want it to be

1937
01:25:58,339 --> 01:25:56,670
that way yeah yeah I'd have to go with

1938
01:26:01,160 --> 01:25:58,349
at least one case that I personally

1939
01:26:05,959 --> 01:26:01,170
investigated and that would be the 1995

1940
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:05,969
NORAD incident where NORAD tracked what

1941
01:26:10,219 --> 01:26:08,489
they decided was a few acre-sized heat

1942
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:10,229
bloom on the side of greeny mountain in

1943
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:11,610
the San Luis Valley where I was living

1944
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,880
in investigating and called the local

1945
01:26:18,199 --> 01:26:16,320
sheriff and told him and the

1946
01:26:20,020 --> 01:26:18,209
search-and-rescue crews to exhaust all

1947
01:26:23,629 --> 01:26:20,030
efforts to find the source of this fire

1948
01:26:26,270 --> 01:26:23,639
it's I recount this whole incident in my

1949
01:26:28,459 --> 01:26:26,280
in my book the mysterious valley a very

1950
01:26:30,350 --> 01:26:28,469
intriguing case there were two deaths at

1951
01:26:32,689 --> 01:26:30,360
NORAD by personnel that were involved in

1952
01:26:33,919 --> 01:26:32,699
making the phone call that probably was

1953
01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:33,929
not supposed to be made in the first

1954
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,329
place there's just a lot of elements

1955
01:26:40,699 --> 01:26:37,920
about that particular case we have a

1956
01:26:43,549 --> 01:26:40,709
Lieutenant Colonel sac retired sac

1957
01:26:46,549 --> 01:26:43,559
fighter pilot who saw a battalion of

1958
01:26:48,469 --> 01:26:46,559
large glowing green objects go down into

1959
01:26:52,669 --> 01:26:48,479
the area where these this heat Bloom was

1960
01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:52,679
was detected by the DSP spy satellites

1961
01:26:56,689 --> 01:26:55,110
so that that's one case is always

1962
01:26:59,509 --> 01:26:56,699
intrigued me

1963
01:27:02,509 --> 01:26:59,519
the Japanese KL or the Korean airliner

1964
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:02,519
case from the 80s I think is a very good

1965
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:04,679
one the colores case that we talked

1966
01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:07,920
about earlier is very good and very

1967
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:11,369
interesting to me there's been so many

1968
01:27:19,459 --> 01:27:17,280
the Tehran 76 case of the Iranian pilots

1969
01:27:21,649 --> 01:27:19,469
and the f4 phantoms another very very

1970
01:27:24,919 --> 01:27:21,659
good case and that's not even getting

1971
01:27:29,870 --> 01:27:24,929
into some of the peripheral types of

1972
01:27:31,939 --> 01:27:29,880
phenomenal cases including any number of

1973
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:31,949
the thousand plus cases that I mentioned

1974
01:27:34,410 --> 01:27:33,360
in my new books talking to her there's

1975
01:27:37,140 --> 01:27:34,420
some incredible

1976
01:27:38,970 --> 01:27:37,150
in there and some that involve UFO

1977
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:38,980
sightings some that involve Bigfoot some

1978
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:42,880
that involve military activity the

1979
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:44,170
monstrum overflights

1980
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:48,330
in in 76 i think are very good too in 67

1981
01:27:53,310 --> 01:27:51,130
there's so many the more you read

1982
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:53,320
listeners and the more you get yourself

1983
01:27:58,410 --> 01:27:55,449
up to speed the more you realize that

1984
01:28:01,439 --> 01:27:58,420
this is a huge subject and you can't

1985
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:01,449
just allow shows like this to be your

1986
01:28:05,310 --> 01:28:03,010
only source of information you have to

1987
01:28:07,050 --> 01:28:05,320
take it upon yourself to get up to speed

1988
01:28:09,060 --> 01:28:07,060
and educate yourself and do your own

1989
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:09,070
research it's really important there are

1990
01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:11,530
three cases that's the big thing there

1991
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:13,030
are dozens there are hundreds there are

1992
01:28:15,689 --> 01:28:15,010
thousands tens of thousands of cases

1993
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:15,699
they're compelling

1994
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:18,850
there's Rendlesham for example yep let

1995
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:20,170
me ask you a question Chris just

1996
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:22,570
personal one in cash Landrum do you

1997
01:28:26,729 --> 01:28:24,610
think it was a UFO encounter or an

1998
01:28:29,580 --> 01:28:26,739
encounter with some sort of test

1999
01:28:32,130 --> 01:28:29,590
aircraft maybe a nuclear test aircraft

2000
01:28:34,169 --> 01:28:32,140
that we just never produced I would say

2001
01:28:38,910 --> 01:28:34,179
the latter it just has all the earmarks

2002
01:28:41,820 --> 01:28:38,920
of you know exotic the conventional but

2003
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:41,830
exotic you know earthbound technology

2004
01:28:47,010 --> 01:28:45,370
that was malfunctioning possibly all the

2005
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:47,020
helicopters if the helicopters weren't

2006
01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:49,210
hadn't been part of the sighting I think

2007
01:28:53,370 --> 01:28:50,710
the jury would really be out but in my

2008
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:53,380
mind having all those Chinook

2009
01:28:59,150 --> 01:28:55,330
helicopters really does indicate that it

2010
01:29:01,370 --> 01:28:59,160
was something probably probably ours

2011
01:29:04,650 --> 01:29:01,380
let's move on to some more questions

2012
01:29:09,209 --> 01:29:04,660
what famous UFO cases gene do you think

2013
01:29:12,630 --> 01:29:09,219
we're hoaxes hoaxes well you know what

2014
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:12,640
how about Astec New Mexico I just don't

2015
01:29:18,180 --> 01:29:14,530
believe that one that's you know a

2016
01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:18,190
number one numero uno example you know

2017
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:22,300
you know I you know it's it's really

2018
01:29:28,979 --> 01:29:25,570
difficult to to answer that so many

2019
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:28,989
cases the vast majority obviously are

2020
01:29:33,780 --> 01:29:32,050
anecdotal in nature so when you say hoax

2021
01:29:35,850 --> 01:29:33,790
then you you call into question the

2022
01:29:37,740 --> 01:29:35,860
people that are that are actually

2023
01:29:42,150 --> 01:29:37,750
directly involved with reporting the

2024
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,160
case or promoting it so you know it's

2025
01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:44,320
really difficult to go out on a limb and

2026
01:29:46,810 --> 01:29:45,640
say well I think this one was a hoax

2027
01:29:50,530 --> 01:29:46,820
this one was a hoax

2028
01:29:53,980 --> 01:29:50,540
it's really not my place to do that but

2029
01:29:56,890 --> 01:29:53,990
I'm sure there are all you have to do is

2030
01:29:58,570 --> 01:29:56,900
go to the to the website of the the

2031
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:58,580
twins that shall not be named and you'll

2032
01:30:02,290 --> 01:30:00,800
see more hoaxes and you could possibly

2033
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:02,300
ever want so if that's what you're

2034
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:04,970
interested in then I'm sure if you dig

2035
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:06,770
hard enough you're gonna find very good

2036
01:30:10,780 --> 01:30:09,050
examples I love the one of the alien

2037
01:30:12,810 --> 01:30:10,790
being dragged behind the car that's one

2038
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:12,820
of my favorite ones

2039
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:15,650
okay so gene these are questions coming

2040
01:30:21,940 --> 01:30:17,570
from Tom 1961

2041
01:30:23,260 --> 01:30:21,950
well answer with Tom 1961 stand by you

2042
01:30:24,460 --> 01:30:23,270
got to listen to a couple of important

2043
01:30:26,190 --> 01:30:24,470
announcements first and then we'll get

2044
01:30:34,530 --> 01:30:26,200
to your questions with Gene and Kris

2045
01:30:34,540 --> 01:30:38,409
[Music]

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01:30:43,109 --> 01:30:40,509
not just an alternative to the

2047
01:30:46,839 --> 01:30:43,119
mainstream media we're the premier

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C n first game attack of the rock codes

2050
01:30:54,009 --> 01:30:51,530
and it was a critically acclaimed

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01:30:55,629 --> 01:30:54,019
success and now there's the coming of

2052
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the protectors a former military

2053
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intelligence man is contacted by a space

2054
01:31:02,979 --> 01:31:00,409
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2055
01:31:04,419 --> 01:31:02,989
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2056
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:04,429
our distant planet are planning to

2057
01:31:07,929 --> 01:31:05,570
conquer the earth

2058
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this is gripping science fiction of the

2059
01:31:12,459 --> 01:31:10,399
classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

2060
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and the coming of the protectors find

2061
01:31:19,209 --> 01:31:15,050
out more at Rocko it's calm that's rock

2062
01:31:20,949 --> 01:31:19,219
oh it's our Ock oids calm so here's what

2063
01:31:23,889 --> 01:31:20,959
happened I was placing an order online

2064
01:31:26,350 --> 01:31:23,899
the site went down it just stopped

2065
01:31:28,089 --> 01:31:26,360
responding it took hours before it

2066
01:31:29,889 --> 01:31:28,099
returned but I'd already placed the

2067
01:31:32,469 --> 01:31:29,899
order with another company if your site

2068
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:32,479
goes down you could lose business and if

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you have a business or personal site

2070
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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

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01:31:45,370 --> 01:31:42,559
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2074
01:31:51,850 --> 01:31:50,059
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2077
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2078
01:32:00,819 --> 01:31:59,119
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2079
01:32:02,589 --> 01:32:00,829
has made it impossible to wait any

2080
01:32:04,779 --> 01:32:02,599
longer with rock-bottom prices that

2081
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:04,789
could save you thousands that's right

2082
01:32:08,889 --> 01:32:07,010
general steel America's leader in pre

2083
01:32:10,779 --> 01:32:08,899
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2084
01:32:13,330 --> 01:32:10,789
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2085
01:32:16,389 --> 01:32:13,340
again don't miss these prices a 50 by

2086
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100 for under $30,000 you heard right

2087
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that's 5000 square feet under $30,000

2088
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manufacturers if you need a larger

2089
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building try a 100 by 100 commercial

2090
01:32:26,649 --> 01:32:24,619
building for a hundred and twenty nine

2091
01:32:27,429 --> 01:32:26,659
thousand you can't afford to rent with

2092
01:32:29,649 --> 01:32:27,439
these prices

2093
01:32:31,299 --> 01:32:29,659
imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

2094
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:31,309
for under sixty nine thousand dollars

2095
01:32:35,770 --> 01:32:33,530
with the economy improving and interest

2096
01:32:37,870 --> 01:32:35,780
rate still at historic lows you can't

2097
01:32:40,270 --> 01:32:37,880
afford to wait so call eight six six

2098
01:32:42,339 --> 01:32:40,280
ninety one steel bucket your price now

2099
01:32:44,979 --> 01:32:42,349
take delivery and spring eight six six

2100
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ninety one steel that's eight six six

2101
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:49,260
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2102
01:32:53,310 --> 01:32:51,330
we all know that berkey water

2103
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2105
01:32:59,310 --> 01:32:57,610
authorized Berkey dealer for over 6

2106
01:33:00,209 --> 01:32:59,320
years in serving thousands of satisfied

2107
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2108
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:02,619
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2109
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2112
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2113
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by removing chlorine pathogenic bacteria

2114
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as herbicides and pesticides order the

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your order free of charge with the

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purchase of a per key light the Berkey

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guy is also offering a set of fluoride

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and arsenic filters for only $39.99

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that's over 30 percent off the retail

2125
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price

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call the Burkett guy at one eight seven

2127
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2128
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2129
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online at Gober Keep Calm that's Gober

2131
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Keep Calm today a little over a year ago

2132
01:33:55,290 --> 01:33:53,290
I began to do a lot of research into

2133
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:55,300
wine even if I had a pretty good-sized

2134
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:57,280
meal that I was still starving and my

2135
01:34:01,530 --> 01:33:59,199
research led me to a well known fact

2136
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:01,540
that most of the soils that we grow our

2137
01:34:04,979 --> 01:34:03,280
crops on here in the United States and

2138
01:34:07,530 --> 01:34:04,989
across the industrialized world are

2139
01:34:10,169 --> 01:34:07,540
almost completely depleted of almost all

2140
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:10,179
of the key minerals and trace elements

2141
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that our bodies need to rebuild

2142
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2143
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healthy I then searched out the best

2144
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2145
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2147
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2148
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2149
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to be satisfied I've lost 37 pounds in

2150
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2151
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2152
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2153
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2154
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2155
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2156
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2158
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2159
01:35:00,500 --> 01:34:53,910
the to make po pure listening to the

2160
01:35:05,060 --> 01:35:00,510
paragon Tom 1961 were you born in 1961

2161
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:05,070
are you 1961 feet tall are you 1961

2162
01:35:09,380 --> 01:35:07,890
years old I'm posing lots of possibility

2163
01:35:10,820 --> 01:35:09,390
let's hear the question see right now he

2164
01:35:14,150 --> 01:35:10,830
hates us and never listen to us again

2165
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:14,160
yeah well he's a forum poster at forum

2166
01:35:18,620 --> 01:35:16,770
dr. Peric ascom he wanted to know what

2167
01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:18,630
cases we thought were hoaxes that's very

2168
01:35:23,690 --> 01:35:20,760
difficult to answer who in the field

2169
01:35:24,380 --> 01:35:23,700
Jane do you think are do is doing really

2170
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:24,390
good work

2171
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:26,250
who was some of the investigators and

2172
01:35:32,450 --> 01:35:28,890
researchers you most admire dr. J Allen

2173
01:35:35,180 --> 01:35:32,460
Hynek Jerome Clark Richard Hall have a

2174
01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:35,190
names a few people right there I think

2175
01:35:41,290 --> 01:35:38,670
that the late John keel did some very

2176
01:35:43,490 --> 01:35:41,300
good work but maybe his scholarship

2177
01:35:47,500 --> 01:35:43,500
wasn't as good as it could have been but

2178
01:35:50,540 --> 01:35:47,510
he also kept you thinking which is so

2179
01:35:53,810 --> 01:35:50,550
important he made you look at

2180
01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:53,820
conventional wisdom from the side and

2181
01:35:58,430 --> 01:35:56,490
see if it held muster so I think that's

2182
01:36:00,770 --> 01:35:58,440
a few examples right there well who

2183
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:00,780
currently how about younger younger

2184
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:04,410
folks that are still active younger

2185
01:36:11,390 --> 01:36:07,970
folks still active that's a hard one

2186
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:11,400
that's a hard one I think there are some

2187
01:36:16,820 --> 01:36:14,480
young people who are in it very actively

2188
01:36:18,860 --> 01:36:16,830
but they haven't yet reached that

2189
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:18,870
stature and the reason they happen is

2190
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:19,610
they're too young

2191
01:36:23,660 --> 01:36:21,930
some people may do some good work and a

2192
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:23,670
lot of people doing good work but you

2193
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:25,440
have to wait till they're 60 70 years

2194
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:28,170
old and say this is a lifetime of work

2195
01:36:32,510 --> 01:36:30,210
to be analyzed and that's the criteria

2196
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:32,520
right I think what you're doing is is a

2197
01:36:37,490 --> 01:36:35,010
good researcher I think he's doing some

2198
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:37,500
good good work his new book is very good

2199
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:40,320
I think it's a it's a wonderful

2200
01:36:45,650 --> 01:36:44,400
introduction to all the various aspects

2201
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:45,660
of the you Falah Jekyll

2202
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:48,080
yield and I do recommend it highly

2203
01:36:57,260 --> 01:36:51,330
Richard Elam is an example but he's not

2204
01:36:58,910 --> 01:36:57,270
25 years old he's uh you know when I say

2205
01:37:02,510 --> 01:36:58,920
young I mean who haven't been in the

2206
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:02,520
field since the 60s or who are still at

2207
01:37:07,940 --> 01:37:05,850
least living and breathing there are a

2208
01:37:10,460 --> 01:37:07,950
number of folks so I was Stan Gordon for

2209
01:37:15,170 --> 01:37:10,470
instance out in Pennsylvania is just an

2210
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:15,180
unsung hero and druffle in in LA over

2211
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:16,560
the years has done some incredible work

2212
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:20,000
and she's still active she's almost 90

2213
01:37:24,050 --> 01:37:22,290
there are a number of folks of course

2214
01:37:28,010 --> 01:37:24,060
the late Mac Tony's I thought had

2215
01:37:30,230 --> 01:37:28,020
incredible promise and when act Tony is

2216
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:30,240
talking about age he was in his 30s when

2217
01:37:34,910 --> 01:37:33,330
he died yeah which was so sad 35 30

2218
01:37:38,330 --> 01:37:34,920
there's another guy out there I think

2219
01:37:40,220 --> 01:37:38,340
has done some pretty solid work and he's

2220
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:40,230
not really active in UFO research

2221
01:37:43,460 --> 01:37:42,000
anymore but I think he's capable of

2222
01:37:45,890 --> 01:37:43,470
doing a lot if he had the opportunity

2223
01:37:47,090 --> 01:37:45,900
that's my friend Curt southerly who has

2224
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:47,100
written one or two books on the subject

2225
01:37:51,020 --> 01:37:49,770
I think reporter looks at UFOs or

2226
01:37:53,660 --> 01:37:51,030
something like I have to look up the

2227
01:37:57,050 --> 01:37:53,670
title it's the only UFO book my son ever

2228
01:37:59,300 --> 01:37:57,060
read and he liked it and he investigated

2229
01:38:03,500 --> 01:37:59,310
a lot of interesting paranormal cases in

2230
01:38:06,590 --> 01:38:03,510
and around Pennsylvania and you know he

2231
01:38:08,900 --> 01:38:06,600
had his feet on the ground very serious

2232
01:38:12,730 --> 01:38:08,910
about it and he had a lot of potential

2233
01:38:15,050 --> 01:38:12,740
so I'd like to see him doing more work

2234
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:15,060
but that's an example of somebody with a

2235
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,290
potential but he's getting on in years

2236
01:38:20,510 --> 01:38:18,480
to I guess you know he's a little

2237
01:38:22,490 --> 01:38:20,520
younger than I am he's older and you're

2238
01:38:24,230 --> 01:38:22,500
Chris I would say they're speaking of

2239
01:38:26,900 --> 01:38:24,240
someone getting on in years of course my

2240
01:38:28,940 --> 01:38:26,910
number one I think the person that's

2241
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:28,950
doing the most important the most

2242
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:31,110
credible work at least in my humble

2243
01:38:35,810 --> 01:38:33,930
opinion is Ray Stanford I make no bones

2244
01:38:39,380 --> 01:38:35,820
about that I think in terms of

2245
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:39,390
diagnostic propulsion and an actual

2246
01:38:45,740 --> 01:38:43,440
scientific analysis of visual evidence

2247
01:38:47,900 --> 01:38:45,750
and other types of evidence I think he

2248
01:38:49,580 --> 01:38:47,910
is really doing very very good work and

2249
01:38:51,020 --> 01:38:49,590
and I think he's heading shoulders above

2250
01:38:54,250 --> 01:38:51,030
anything else that I'm aware of out

2251
01:38:57,140 --> 01:38:54,260
there but again that's my opinion

2252
01:38:58,090 --> 01:38:57,150
people dogged me for it all the time but

2253
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:58,100
I don't care

2254
01:39:04,130 --> 01:39:01,440
that's that's that's how it is in my

2255
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:04,140
book so how about people that you think

2256
01:39:09,770 --> 01:39:06,450
are a fraud again that's like the hoax

2257
01:39:12,170 --> 01:39:09,780
question I'm not sure how to really

2258
01:39:14,690 --> 01:39:12,180
answer that without maybe getting into

2259
01:39:18,460 --> 01:39:14,700
some legal problems here but the good

2260
01:39:21,970 --> 01:39:18,470
doctor the dragon queen of ufology I

2261
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:21,980
think are easily taken in and are too

2262
01:39:29,330 --> 01:39:25,760
invested in particular answers and

2263
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:29,340
they're absolutely rigid they will not

2264
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:32,730
Bend they will not compromise it is what

2265
01:39:35,060 --> 01:39:34,410
they say it is and if you don't like it

2266
01:39:39,290 --> 01:39:35,070
you're the enemy

2267
01:39:42,590 --> 01:39:39,300
that may not be fraudulent but I think

2268
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:42,600
it's disingenuous and it does not serve

2269
01:39:50,810 --> 01:39:46,410
the field and open discourse and

2270
01:39:53,630 --> 01:39:50,820
conversation well and anytime you have

2271
01:39:57,770 --> 01:39:53,640
somebody trying to set themselves up as

2272
01:40:00,320 --> 01:39:57,780
the expert v-- guru it's it's you're

2273
01:40:03,500 --> 01:40:00,330
really running into problems with me

2274
01:40:07,940 --> 01:40:03,510
I really have issues with the Billy

2275
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:07,950
Meyers the Roman X the Greer's I don't

2276
01:40:12,100 --> 01:40:09,330
think they're frauds I think they are

2277
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:12,110
they're sincerely they sincerely believe

2278
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:15,210
in some sense of the word what they are

2279
01:40:18,860 --> 01:40:17,370
promoting some sense of the word is that

2280
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:18,870
like the best salesman believes his

2281
01:40:23,420 --> 01:40:22,170
spiel yeah yeah I think they've

2282
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:23,430
convinced themselves that they're

2283
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:25,890
special that they're they've been

2284
01:40:33,260 --> 01:40:29,690
anointed I don't think that it's it's

2285
01:40:35,210 --> 01:40:33,270
knowingly fraudulent although charging

2286
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:35,220
you know how many umpteen thousand

2287
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:36,570
dollars to become an ambassador to the

2288
01:40:45,410 --> 01:40:42,410
universe that might almost qualify but

2289
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,420
you know it's PT Barnum 101 there's a

2290
01:40:52,340 --> 01:40:48,000
sucker born every minute and if you can

2291
01:40:54,860 --> 01:40:52,350
lure men you know shame on them not

2292
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:54,870
shame on you I guess our friend up there

2293
01:40:59,240 --> 01:40:57,600
in Washington State there at the bottom

2294
01:41:02,210 --> 01:40:59,250
of Mount Adams he's another one that

2295
01:41:04,430 --> 01:41:02,220
I've just heard you know really negative

2296
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:04,440
things about in terms of agendas and

2297
01:41:08,990 --> 01:41:07,440
trying to be the you know he'll you over

2298
01:41:09,980 --> 01:41:09,000
the phone and that sort of thing

2299
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:09,990
that

2300
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:13,530
almost uh I think in my book goes into

2301
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:17,730
the f-word but again I don't know enough

2302
01:41:25,180 --> 01:41:21,330
about the field and some of the people

2303
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:25,190
out there that have been called frauds I

2304
01:41:29,390 --> 01:41:27,690
tend to stay away from those types of

2305
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:29,400
people that are tainted by that

2306
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:33,450
particular brush so I'm probably the

2307
01:41:39,140 --> 01:41:37,050
wrong person to ask that how about you

2308
01:41:40,940 --> 01:41:39,150
gene well you know you still have some

2309
01:41:42,380 --> 01:41:40,950
of the information posted at UFO

2310
01:41:46,340 --> 01:41:42,390
watchdog com

2311
01:41:49,490 --> 01:41:46,350
you know right Ross Meyers site and he

2312
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,500
has basically retired it we managed the

2313
01:41:53,480 --> 01:41:51,840
site for a couple of years and then he

2314
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:53,490
asked for it back I gave it back to him

2315
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:55,890
and he never updated the material some

2316
01:42:00,110 --> 01:41:58,080
of the material he included some of the

2317
01:42:04,130 --> 01:42:00,120
material he did not include he's

2318
01:42:06,380 --> 01:42:04,140
focusing on Sean David Morton who is not

2319
01:42:07,790 --> 01:42:06,390
just somebody who was a fraud he has

2320
01:42:09,950 --> 01:42:07,800
been charged of the government with

2321
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:09,960
soliciting fraudulent investments and

2322
01:42:12,230 --> 01:42:11,850
stuff like that so he's in a heap of

2323
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:12,240
trouble

2324
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:14,030
so it's not just somebody who's

2325
01:42:20,030 --> 01:42:17,280
benevolent or benign fraud you know

2326
01:42:22,490 --> 01:42:20,040
somebody tells a funny story or a fake

2327
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:22,500
story and you listen you say okay that's

2328
01:42:26,900 --> 01:42:24,930
a funny story as a fake story big deal

2329
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:26,910
it's entertainment and maybe Stan

2330
01:42:31,310 --> 01:42:29,010
Romanek fits in that category he tells a

2331
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:31,320
wacky story and you don't believe it

2332
01:42:35,930 --> 01:42:33,450
fine but he's facing legal problems now

2333
01:42:38,180 --> 01:42:35,940
which are far more serious in UFOs when

2334
01:42:40,850 --> 01:42:38,190
somebody is soliciting money for a

2335
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:40,860
purpose and that appears to have a

2336
01:42:48,350 --> 01:42:45,090
deceptive intent it's a lot more than

2337
01:42:50,270 --> 01:42:48,360
just being a faker yeah yeah good point

2338
01:42:51,740 --> 01:42:50,280
well how about some books that have come

2339
01:42:56,300 --> 01:42:51,750
out in the last five years Jean that

2340
01:42:57,620 --> 01:42:56,310
you're particularly taken by ah I wasn't

2341
01:42:59,900 --> 01:42:57,630
prepared for this question I read the

2342
01:43:02,780 --> 01:42:59,910
question if I wasn't prepared for a lot

2343
01:43:06,860 --> 01:43:02,790
of interesting books of course the

2344
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:06,870
crypto terrestrials from the late Mac

2345
01:43:14,540 --> 01:43:11,090
Tony's it was like the beginning of

2346
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:14,550
something that could have been a

2347
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:17,850
fascinating subject to discuss not at

2348
01:43:23,629 --> 01:43:22,170
the ideas original but he posted in such

2349
01:43:26,299 --> 01:43:23,639
a cogent way

2350
01:43:29,899 --> 01:43:26,309
I thought that was really good I think

2351
01:43:33,620 --> 01:43:29,909
Richard Dolan has a lot of really really

2352
01:43:36,379 --> 01:43:33,630
good books out there UFO's in the 21st

2353
01:43:37,129 --> 01:43:36,389
century mind an ancient mystery for a

2354
01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:37,139
new era

2355
01:43:40,370 --> 01:43:39,030
his most recent book we want to get him

2356
01:43:44,770 --> 01:43:40,380
on this show for that one by the way

2357
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:44,780
yeah max excellent excellent work

2358
01:43:52,069 --> 01:43:46,800
about as in-depth as you could ever

2359
01:43:55,279 --> 01:43:52,079
possibly want to be for someone newly

2360
01:43:57,169 --> 01:43:55,289
engaged in in the UFO subject but

2361
01:43:58,879 --> 01:43:57,179
there's so much in there that even if

2362
01:44:02,439 --> 01:43:58,889
you have a good working knowledge it's

2363
01:44:05,689 --> 01:44:02,449
an invaluable resource to resource tool

2364
01:44:06,799 --> 01:44:05,699
yes this is the kind of research that we

2365
01:44:09,639 --> 01:44:06,809
like somebody who's really dedicated

2366
01:44:11,509 --> 01:44:09,649
because Richard Dolan is an historian

2367
01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:11,519
who goes through a lot of this

2368
01:44:14,659 --> 01:44:13,260
information and yeah you could look over

2369
01:44:16,969 --> 01:44:14,669
some of those things he says and maybe

2370
01:44:19,639 --> 01:44:16,979
disagree with his conclusions or his

2371
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:19,649
emphasis but you guys think here here's

2372
01:44:25,549 --> 01:44:23,489
a guy who really really devoted a heavy

2373
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:25,559
part of his life to getting out some

2374
01:44:29,959 --> 01:44:27,449
really good information I think Nick

2375
01:44:32,299 --> 01:44:29,969
Redfern is marvelous

2376
01:44:36,649 --> 01:44:32,309
he's always coming out with great books

2377
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:36,659
really smart ideas yeah very very funny

2378
01:44:42,319 --> 01:44:40,050
looking and he is a treasure to the

2379
01:44:44,659 --> 01:44:42,329
field you know you've got to listen to

2380
01:44:46,459 --> 01:44:44,669
him you know and he's he's till he said

2381
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:46,469
he's gonna stop writing UFO books for

2382
01:44:52,549 --> 01:44:50,880
you know for the foreseen future so that

2383
01:44:55,009 --> 01:44:52,559
would be a real loss for the field of

2384
01:44:58,189 --> 01:44:55,019
ufology he has done great work final

2385
01:45:00,189 --> 01:44:58,199
events a very intriguing book as some of

2386
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,199
his crypto books obviously very good

2387
01:45:04,580 --> 01:45:02,880
other books that have come out wonders

2388
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:04,590
in the sky by Jacques Vallee and Chris

2389
01:45:10,580 --> 01:45:06,719
are back a very very good book about pre

2390
01:45:13,489 --> 01:45:10,590
on 19th century cases or pre 20th

2391
01:45:15,649 --> 01:45:13,499
century UFO cases more favorite books

2392
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:15,659
more questions answered on the other

2393
01:45:24,540 --> 01:45:18,090
side with Jean and Kris talking shop

2394
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:28,560
[Music]

2395
01:45:34,380 --> 01:45:31,510
free from the shackles of Corporate

2396
01:45:40,510 --> 01:45:34,390
America we're the place for independent

2397
01:45:42,130 --> 01:45:40,520
thinkers does advertising on the Genesis

2398
01:45:43,900 --> 01:45:42,140
communications radio network actually

2399
01:45:45,970 --> 01:45:43,910
bring positive results

2400
01:45:47,980 --> 01:45:45,980
let's ask Thomas Walter come freeze-dry

2401
01:45:52,690 --> 01:45:47,990
guy Thomas talk about customer service

2402
01:46:00,280 --> 01:45:52,700
at GCM and how they take care of their

2403
01:46:01,570 --> 01:46:00,290
customers the bottom line if you'd like

2404
01:46:03,490 --> 01:46:01,580
to experience unbelievable customer

2405
01:46:06,190 --> 01:46:03,500
service call li wicked Houser at eight

2406
01:46:09,340 --> 01:46:06,200
seven seven nine nine six four three two

2407
01:46:10,780 --> 01:46:09,350
seven extension 1:07 hi this is Ted

2408
01:46:12,820 --> 01:46:10,790
Anderson have you ever wondered why

2409
01:46:14,830 --> 01:46:12,830
banks stock workers investment advisors

2410
01:46:17,230 --> 01:46:14,840
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

2411
01:46:18,970 --> 01:46:17,240
available since 1986 yet the financial

2412
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:18,980
industry won't recognize the value of

2413
01:46:22,300 --> 01:46:20,330
gold for your retirement

2414
01:46:24,460 --> 01:46:22,310
gold has outperformed paper investments

2415
01:46:26,580 --> 01:46:24,470
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2416
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:26,590
to have gold for your retirement call

2417
01:46:54,270 --> 01:46:29,930
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01:47:15,070 --> 01:47:13,060
806-853-9949 to learn how I can help you

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01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:15,080
you know your IRS debt will not go away

2420
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2421
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fear anymore

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at Bank levies release tax liens and

2425
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negotiate a settlement with the IRS that

2426
01:47:28,810 --> 01:47:28,220
will put your tax nightmare behind you

2427
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:28,820
forever

2428
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:32,930
call 834 no tax or go to tax help

2429
01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:34,489
online.com

2430
01:47:54,970 --> 01:47:50,030
to to the para cast the gold standard of

2431
01:47:57,450 --> 01:47:54,980
paranormal radio and now here's James

2432
01:48:00,360 --> 01:47:57,460
Steinberg

2433
01:48:02,860 --> 01:48:00,370
[Music]

2434
01:48:05,890 --> 01:48:02,870
with Jeana and Chris on the para cast

2435
01:48:08,140 --> 01:48:05,900
talking shop gene in recovery mode I

2436
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:08,150
don't know how I'm going on here but

2437
01:48:12,190 --> 01:48:10,489
we're trying to cope with it I mean it's

2438
01:48:15,820 --> 01:48:12,200
not like a serious illness but you know

2439
01:48:18,190 --> 01:48:15,830
you get these bugs and they really bug

2440
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:18,200
you without going into details anyway

2441
01:48:21,550 --> 01:48:19,730
we're answering your questions we were

2442
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:21,560
talking about interesting books I think

2443
01:48:24,850 --> 01:48:23,210
if you looked at the schedule of the

2444
01:48:27,310 --> 01:48:24,860
power cast for the last five or six

2445
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:27,320
years and you'll see a lot of compelling

2446
01:48:32,890 --> 01:48:29,690
books in there they're definitely worth

2447
01:48:36,190 --> 01:48:32,900
looking at like dolan again with bryce

2448
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:36,200
able after disclosure what happens if we

2449
01:48:42,100 --> 01:48:40,250
reveal that Earth is being visited by ET

2450
01:48:45,340 --> 01:48:42,110
again maybe we don't believe that's a

2451
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:45,350
possibility but saying it is how is our

2452
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:47,930
society impact so that's a pretty

2453
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:49,730
fascinating book lot of really good

2454
01:48:53,530 --> 01:48:51,170
books out there the problem is here

2455
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:53,540
which is always always unfortunate is

2456
01:48:58,959 --> 01:48:56,330
that most of these books get limited

2457
01:49:02,200 --> 01:48:58,969
distribution even from a major publisher

2458
01:49:04,060 --> 01:49:02,210
limited publicity and people don't hear

2459
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:04,070
about like the UFO book from Leslie

2460
01:49:09,490 --> 01:49:07,130
Kahne that's one of the rare books which

2461
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:09,500
had lots of co-authors lots of people

2462
01:49:15,729 --> 01:49:12,800
who wrote material for it that gave you

2463
01:49:18,910 --> 01:49:15,739
a scientific case for the reality of

2464
01:49:21,340 --> 01:49:18,920
UFOs from military officers really

2465
01:49:23,530 --> 01:49:21,350
serious people a number of people work

2466
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:23,540
with Leslie to produce probably one of

2467
01:49:29,979 --> 01:49:27,290
the more compelling mainstream cases for

2468
01:49:33,580 --> 01:49:29,989
UFO reality and as I said it was a

2469
01:49:35,170 --> 01:49:33,590
best-seller no silent invasion the UFO

2470
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:35,180
Bigfoot connection by Stan Gordon

2471
01:49:39,970 --> 01:49:37,930
excellent book that is not well known I

2472
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:39,980
recommend it highly

2473
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:43,010
and Robert Hastings book UFOs and nukes

2474
01:49:47,980 --> 01:49:46,130
I mean talk about a major work that just

2475
01:49:50,770 --> 01:49:47,990
is so meticulously

2476
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:50,780
and documented and sourced in reference

2477
01:49:55,150 --> 01:49:52,970
to a very very good book there's a

2478
01:49:56,890 --> 01:49:55,160
number of them out there and I'm hoping

2479
01:49:59,800 --> 01:49:56,900
that my new books talking to heard will

2480
01:50:02,530 --> 01:49:59,810
be accounted among those important books

2481
01:50:05,530 --> 01:50:02,540
that have come out recently there is a

2482
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:05,540
bit of UFO stuff in there it's almost

2483
01:50:10,690 --> 01:50:07,610
impossible in the mutilation field to

2484
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:10,700
ignore that particular aspect of the

2485
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:13,360
mystery which is only an aspect I must

2486
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:16,130
stress vast majority cases do not

2487
01:50:21,550 --> 01:50:19,040
feature UFOs contrary to what some other

2488
01:50:25,210 --> 01:50:21,560
researchers might have you believe but I

2489
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:25,220
think we are seeing some interesting new

2490
01:50:30,340 --> 01:50:27,770
approaches to subject matter I think

2491
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:30,350
we're seeing as people starting to look

2492
01:50:35,740 --> 01:50:33,170
at things from new and and in compelling

2493
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:35,750
ways and I I really applaud this

2494
01:50:42,090 --> 01:50:39,530
particular direction if it's real that

2495
01:50:46,030 --> 01:50:42,100
we're seeing with alternative views

2496
01:50:49,020 --> 01:50:46,040
Micah Hanks his book magic myth in the

2497
01:50:52,270 --> 01:50:49,030
molecule and also the the UFO

2498
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:52,280
singularity book very interesting his

2499
01:50:57,220 --> 01:50:54,560
new book on the ghost rockets I think is

2500
01:51:00,640 --> 01:50:57,230
important we've never really seen a book

2501
01:51:03,970 --> 01:51:00,650
on the nineteen mid-1940s wave in Sweden

2502
01:51:06,670 --> 01:51:03,980
and Northern Europe of the the ghost

2503
01:51:09,670 --> 01:51:06,680
rockets another very good book so there

2504
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:09,680
are some books out there I suggest

2505
01:51:16,300 --> 01:51:13,970
starting by going to the para cast forum

2506
01:51:18,580 --> 01:51:16,310
dr. para cast calm the thread that says

2507
01:51:20,170 --> 01:51:18,590
what are you reading there's a number of

2508
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:20,180
good titles that have been suggested by

2509
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:23,210
posters there many of which I would

2510
01:51:27,490 --> 01:51:25,250
recommend as well and remember these

2511
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:27,500
books are not getting mainstream

2512
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:29,930
distribution so you have to kind of look

2513
01:51:34,300 --> 01:51:32,210
for them they're not gonna be always at

2514
01:51:36,700 --> 01:51:34,310
your Barnes & Noble store you have to

2515
01:51:40,270 --> 01:51:36,710
search for them at Amazon for example or

2516
01:51:43,870 --> 01:51:40,280
better listen to the power cast no well

2517
01:51:46,900 --> 01:51:43,880
here's one from this V High folk who's a

2518
01:51:49,450 --> 01:51:46,910
longtime poster at forum dr. Peric ascom

2519
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:49,460
he's a good guy I like him he's just

2520
01:51:55,870 --> 01:51:51,920
passed the twelve hundred and fifty a

2521
01:51:59,979 --> 01:51:55,880
message hurdle and he wants to know what

2522
01:52:01,959 --> 01:51:59,989
do you think Rick dyers antics

2523
01:52:03,609 --> 01:52:01,969
I was gonna go up to Flagstaff and see

2524
01:52:06,250 --> 01:52:03,619
this thing and and I guess they

2525
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:06,260
cancelled it just the day before when

2526
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:09,110
some very negative publicity came out of

2527
01:52:14,799 --> 01:52:12,050
San Antonio and other places I think you

2528
01:52:17,770 --> 01:52:14,809
know that you talk about frauds he would

2529
01:52:20,379 --> 01:52:17,780
be up there as a candidate based on his

2530
01:52:23,799 --> 01:52:20,389
history with the gorilla suit and the

2531
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:23,809
pig entrails in the frozen freezer chest

2532
01:52:27,879 --> 01:52:25,489
from a number of years back and now he's

2533
01:52:30,279 --> 01:52:27,889
going around with this supposed a dead

2534
01:52:33,459 --> 01:52:30,289
bit Bigfoot that I think people like

2535
01:52:35,890 --> 01:52:33,469
that should be you know outed as frauds

2536
01:52:37,149 --> 01:52:35,900
if they are not saying they are but if

2537
01:52:39,729 --> 01:52:37,159
they are frauds I think they should be

2538
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:39,739
out and I think be prosecuted I think

2539
01:52:45,729 --> 01:52:42,320
that they do way more harm than good I

2540
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:45,739
think that people that knowingly promote

2541
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:48,050
fraudulent videos on the Internet

2542
01:52:52,089 --> 01:52:51,170
should be held accountable I think it's

2543
01:52:54,250 --> 01:52:52,099
a major problem

2544
01:52:56,319 --> 01:52:54,260
it's mudding up the field way more than

2545
01:52:58,239 --> 01:52:56,329
it needs to be it's already confusing

2546
01:53:00,399 --> 01:52:58,249
too muddy enough without the

2547
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:00,409
interjection of known fraudulent

2548
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:02,690
material I just have no patience for it

2549
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:04,730
well obviously the argument material is

2550
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:08,170
not something that you can go ahead and

2551
01:53:14,770 --> 01:53:11,360
prosecute somebody before really I know

2552
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:14,780
but I I think the at least maybe but

2553
01:53:20,770 --> 01:53:18,110
public stocks put them in stocks and

2554
01:53:24,189 --> 01:53:20,780
supply tomatoes and other rotten fruit

2555
01:53:26,890 --> 01:53:24,199
to throw at them something to shame them

2556
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:26,900
into doing the right thing hey some

2557
01:53:31,359 --> 01:53:29,119
people just have no no morals no

2558
01:53:33,339 --> 01:53:31,369
scruples and I have no time for that I

2559
01:53:36,549 --> 01:53:33,349
really don't really ticks me off

2560
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:36,559
actually no I wanted to go up there and

2561
01:53:43,029 --> 01:53:39,130
really dog the guy and woof woof

2562
01:53:44,739 --> 01:53:43,039
yeah woof what okay here's one from

2563
01:53:48,279 --> 01:53:44,749
myself

2564
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:48,289
that's the Avatar name he joined April

2565
01:53:53,709 --> 01:53:52,010
5th 2013 sixty-one messages posted he

2566
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:53,719
would like me to explain after all the

2567
01:53:57,339 --> 01:53:55,280
first-hand experiences I've had with the

2568
01:54:01,810 --> 01:53:57,349
paranormal what exactly I think is going

2569
01:54:03,129 --> 01:54:01,820
on regarding mankind in reality he says

2570
01:54:04,899 --> 01:54:03,139
I know that sounds complicated but

2571
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:04,909
answering any terms you'd like we all

2572
01:54:08,919 --> 01:54:05,840
know chris has had first-hand

2573
01:54:10,629 --> 01:54:08,929
experiences with the unexplained he's

2574
01:54:12,209 --> 01:54:10,639
also in ticketless respected researcher

2575
01:54:14,129 --> 01:54:12,219
blah blah blah and what

2576
01:54:15,979 --> 01:54:14,139
my bottom line well I've said it many

2577
01:54:18,089 --> 01:54:15,989
times I think we need to exhaust all

2578
01:54:21,959 --> 01:54:18,099
potential closed system answers before

2579
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:21,969
we jump off planet number one eliminate

2580
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:25,840
all of the possible scenarios if

2581
01:54:32,399 --> 01:54:29,050
possible that could be earth bound in

2582
01:54:35,489 --> 01:54:32,409
some way shape or form I kind of already

2583
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:35,499
answered this before but I think mankind

2584
01:54:39,719 --> 01:54:37,090
is headed down a slippery slope right

2585
01:54:42,509 --> 01:54:39,729
now and I think reality is is is

2586
01:54:45,239 --> 01:54:42,519
becoming tenuous in many ways I think

2587
01:54:47,850 --> 01:54:45,249
we're you know if things keep going

2588
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:47,860
politically in so socially the way they

2589
01:54:53,870 --> 01:54:49,690
are I think where we're really headed

2590
01:54:56,910 --> 01:54:53,880
for trouble and I think the more dire

2591
01:54:59,040 --> 01:54:56,920
things like water food quality of food

2592
01:55:00,660 --> 01:54:59,050
health the more dire those things are

2593
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:00,670
the less likely it is that people are

2594
01:55:05,279 --> 01:55:02,170
going to give a hoot about anything

2595
01:55:07,049 --> 01:55:05,289
other than just survival and that does

2596
01:55:09,689 --> 01:55:07,059
not bode well for subjects like we cover

2597
01:55:12,089 --> 01:55:09,699
here on the podcast so we need to get

2598
01:55:13,410 --> 01:55:12,099
our own house in order before we think

2599
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:13,420
that the benevolent space brothers are

2600
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:14,800
going to come and solve all our problems

2601
01:55:20,549 --> 01:55:18,400
and that's what I've always said I will

2602
01:55:23,819 --> 01:55:20,559
always say that and until I'm proven

2603
01:55:25,950 --> 01:55:23,829
wrong but that's kind of my bottom line

2604
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:25,960
and I think that there is aspects of

2605
01:55:32,339 --> 01:55:29,170
reality that that ancient peoples

2606
01:55:36,089 --> 01:55:32,349
possibly knew in terms of geometric

2607
01:55:39,089 --> 01:55:36,099
telluric capabilities and knowledge of

2608
01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:39,099
energy systems that that you know maybe

2609
01:55:44,609 --> 01:55:42,249
Nikola Tesla kind of had a leg up on for

2610
01:55:47,129 --> 01:55:44,619
instance I think there's a lot that

2611
01:55:50,069 --> 01:55:47,139
academia and science is holding us back

2612
01:55:51,390 --> 01:55:50,079
from learning because of of the rigidity

2613
01:55:55,140 --> 01:55:51,400
of the scientific and academic

2614
01:55:57,149 --> 01:55:55,150
communities that's a problem I think we

2615
01:56:02,399 --> 01:55:57,159
need more open-minded scientists willing

2616
01:56:04,739 --> 01:56:02,409
to to look at some of these more

2617
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:04,749
sensational you know aspects of reality

2618
01:56:10,100 --> 01:56:08,170
based research and I think it's all a

2619
01:56:12,899 --> 01:56:10,110
moot point though if we continue

2620
01:56:15,299 --> 01:56:12,909
spreading our resources around the world

2621
01:56:18,149 --> 01:56:15,309
here you know from America and and

2622
01:56:21,509 --> 01:56:18,159
dabbling and foreign affairs that we

2623
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:21,519
shouldn't be trying to to circumvent or

2624
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:23,290
subvert

2625
01:56:28,590 --> 01:56:25,840
I think we need to get our own house in

2626
01:56:32,130 --> 01:56:28,600
order I think the the political systems

2627
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:32,140
are really having problems in the

2628
01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:37,840
Western world especially in if the 1% is

2629
01:56:44,490 --> 01:56:41,920
not careful the 99% are going to go nuts

2630
01:56:46,860 --> 01:56:44,500
and that does not bode well for anybody

2631
01:56:49,140 --> 01:56:46,870
so you know when you see the Department

2632
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:49,150
of Homeland Security getting millions

2633
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:50,770
and millions of rounds of hollow-point

2634
01:56:55,140 --> 01:56:52,450
ammunition and other things that are

2635
01:56:57,780 --> 01:56:55,150
being blasted around on the internet and

2636
01:57:01,500 --> 01:56:57,790
elsewhere it's it's troubling what do

2637
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:01,510
you think Jane I think we can always

2638
01:57:05,580 --> 01:57:04,090
come back and say gee isn't the world

2639
01:57:06,270 --> 01:57:05,590
going to hell and what were you going to

2640
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:06,280
do about it

2641
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:07,840
but right now I think our biggest

2642
01:57:13,140 --> 01:57:10,450
problem would be the corporation's who

2643
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:13,150
control everything they control the news

2644
01:57:17,730 --> 01:57:15,280
media they control the government by

2645
01:57:20,850 --> 01:57:17,740
dint of the fact that they donate to

2646
01:57:23,490 --> 01:57:20,860
candidates and the candidates cannot win

2647
01:57:25,950 --> 01:57:23,500
elections without adhering the corporate

2648
01:57:28,860 --> 01:57:25,960
interests and that's not Republican and

2649
01:57:31,410 --> 01:57:28,870
Democrat it's both we got more to say

2650
01:57:37,730 --> 01:57:31,420
with Gene and Kris talking shop you're

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China getting out of US Treasuries at

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the end of 2008 the time of tarp the

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national debt was at eleven trillion

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gold trading around $850 per ounce close

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in Washington have a ferocious appetite

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podcast.com so corporate control was

2741
02:02:08,479 --> 02:02:05,579
fascism no okay so we can say for

2742
02:02:10,549 --> 02:02:08,489
example that Obama is the fascist

2743
02:02:13,549 --> 02:02:10,559
Marxist communist whatever you think of

2744
02:02:16,339 --> 02:02:13,559
him it doesn't matter the point is here

2745
02:02:19,790 --> 02:02:16,349
isn't it strange how except for a few

2746
02:02:22,759 --> 02:02:19,800
minor things the situation in Washington

2747
02:02:25,370 --> 02:02:22,769
doesn't really change from year to year

2748
02:02:27,620 --> 02:02:25,380
I mean we put Obama in there he does a

2749
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:27,630
lot of things Bush would have done even

2750
02:02:33,140 --> 02:02:30,840
this controversial health care act was

2751
02:02:34,939 --> 02:02:33,150
developed by the Republicans the

2752
02:02:37,430 --> 02:02:34,949
Heritage Foundation back in nineteen

2753
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eighty nine and as I as I recall they

2754
02:02:43,759 --> 02:02:41,699
actually wanted to have George HW Bush

2755
02:02:46,939 --> 02:02:43,769
introduced it but then they had the

2756
02:02:49,459 --> 02:02:46,949
first Iraq war so didn't happen but

2757
02:02:50,839 --> 02:02:49,469
think about that so where's the

2758
02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:50,849
difference you know they can say all

2759
02:02:55,850 --> 02:02:53,610
sorts of things now it doesn't work the

2760
02:03:00,229 --> 02:02:55,860
website was bad and all this nonsense

2761
02:03:02,149 --> 02:03:00,239
it's a Republican idea and what is the

2762
02:03:04,459 --> 02:03:02,159
difference anymore between Democrats and

2763
02:03:07,310 --> 02:03:04,469
Republicans most of the claims of

2764
02:03:10,879 --> 02:03:07,320
difference are probably exaggerated yeah

2765
02:03:13,669 --> 02:03:10,889
I agree it's but each one is a side of

2766
02:03:17,390 --> 02:03:13,679
the same tarnished coin of the

2767
02:03:19,310 --> 02:03:17,400
plutocracy so that's the problem the

2768
02:03:22,910 --> 02:03:19,320
biggest problem of all is how do we deal

2769
02:03:26,540 --> 02:03:22,920
with that how do we prevent where that

2770
02:03:30,979 --> 02:03:26,550
leads to no I mean what does that movie

2771
02:03:32,750 --> 02:03:30,989
with it was called a Lyceum right yeah

2772
02:03:35,359 --> 02:03:32,760
it was just out this earlier this year

2773
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:35,369
when Matt Damon and Jodie Foster Matt

2774
02:03:40,879 --> 02:03:38,400
Damon Jodie Foster Lyceum and what they

2775
02:03:43,100 --> 02:03:40,889
did is they separated the so-called

2776
02:03:46,399 --> 02:03:43,110
one-percent rich class from everyone

2777
02:03:49,310 --> 02:03:46,409
else and they put him up in the sky in a

2778
02:03:52,339 --> 02:03:49,320
floating or flying city and left all the

2779
02:03:53,010 --> 02:03:52,349
other people to fend for themselves and

2780
02:03:56,010 --> 02:03:53,020
you

2781
02:03:57,630 --> 02:03:56,020
that's not gonna happen we need et if

2782
02:04:02,310 --> 02:03:57,640
there's an ET out there we sure as heck

2783
02:04:06,060 --> 02:04:02,320
need him or her or it it is headed

2784
02:04:08,070 --> 02:04:06,070
towards that extreme separation between

2785
02:04:10,740 --> 02:04:08,080
the haves and have-nots or the haves and

2786
02:04:14,730 --> 02:04:10,750
everybody else I should say I agree well

2787
02:04:16,410 --> 02:04:14,740
let's move on to more uplifting topics

2788
02:04:18,750 --> 02:04:16,420
here that's that's pretty much of a

2789
02:04:21,270 --> 02:04:18,760
downer sorry about that

2790
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:21,280
but we're gonna move on here's one from

2791
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:23,890
OS prime Jean who's been a member at

2792
02:04:30,630 --> 02:04:27,690
forum dr. Peric ascom since June of 2013

2793
02:04:32,220 --> 02:04:30,640
and he has a very interesting question I

2794
02:04:34,860 --> 02:04:32,230
don't really think there's an answer to

2795
02:04:36,300 --> 02:04:34,870
it but I'll pose it anyway to both you

2796
02:04:38,010 --> 02:04:36,310
guys what do you think will finally

2797
02:04:39,780 --> 02:04:38,020
satisfy the curiosity of those

2798
02:04:42,650 --> 02:04:39,790
interested in the subjects of ufology

2799
02:04:44,790 --> 02:04:42,660
the paranormal or even cryptozoology I

2800
02:04:47,130 --> 02:04:44,800
assume the confirmation from Uncle Sam

2801
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:47,140
is the obvious answer which I disagree

2802
02:04:51,060 --> 02:04:49,570
but then again a lot of people

2803
02:04:54,330 --> 02:04:51,070
interested in these subjects don't seem

2804
02:04:56,220 --> 02:04:54,340
to believe the man isn't that the truth

2805
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:56,230
you know just raise an interesting point

2806
02:05:01,230 --> 02:04:58,480
let me take it to a logical conclusion

2807
02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:01,240
okay we don't believe our government we

2808
02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:02,800
have no faith in the government we don't

2809
02:05:05,640 --> 02:05:04,210
believe the president we don't believe

2810
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:05,650
the Democrats we don't believe the

2811
02:05:11,370 --> 02:05:08,770
Republican Party tomorrow if Obama said

2812
02:05:13,410 --> 02:05:11,380
we're being visited by ET we don't know

2813
02:05:16,140 --> 02:05:13,420
what their intentions are towards us so

2814
02:05:19,020 --> 02:05:16,150
far they've not indicated any evidence

2815
02:05:21,720 --> 02:05:19,030
of hostility if he said that I'd say if

2816
02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:21,730
he did a Gallup poll that minute a large

2817
02:05:24,690 --> 02:05:23,440
portion of the people in this country

2818
02:05:26,970 --> 02:05:24,700
and around the world would disbelieve

2819
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:26,980
him they think he's lying he's trying to

2820
02:05:30,300 --> 02:05:28,450
do something to cover up the problems of

2821
02:05:33,930 --> 02:05:30,310
Obamacare or the economy of something

2822
02:05:37,650 --> 02:05:33,940
you can't win for losing scenarios so I

2823
02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:37,660
agree that you know I won I don't think

2824
02:05:42,150 --> 02:05:39,970
disclosure by the government is ever

2825
02:05:45,480 --> 02:05:42,160
gonna happen in the way that Steven

2826
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:45,490
Bassett and others would idealize it I

2827
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:48,330
think that most of this type of this

2828
02:05:52,740 --> 02:05:51,250
material that needs to be disclosed to

2829
02:05:55,590 --> 02:05:52,750
those folks is in the private sector

2830
02:05:57,660 --> 02:05:55,600
number one so it's out of reach of the

2831
02:05:59,790 --> 02:05:57,670
government I think in many ways and it's

2832
02:06:03,690 --> 02:05:59,800
plausible deniability it's set up very

2833
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:03,700
very craftily well he goes on OS prime

2834
02:06:06,330 --> 02:06:05,050
goes on and says are we setting

2835
02:06:08,250 --> 02:06:06,340
ourselves up just to

2836
02:06:10,229 --> 02:06:08,260
continue I guess is what he's saying for

2837
02:06:11,550 --> 02:06:10,239
an eternal battle of truth his

2838
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:11,560
scientific evidence more than enough

2839
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:13,840
proof if so do we investigate those

2840
02:06:19,470 --> 02:06:16,330
analyzing data maybe they work for

2841
02:06:21,780 --> 02:06:19,480
Bigelow at some time well you know again

2842
02:06:24,180 --> 02:06:21,790
it's you know it's a treadmill it's

2843
02:06:26,510 --> 02:06:24,190
three steps forward two steps back I

2844
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:26,520
think there will always be mysteries I

2845
02:06:35,580 --> 02:06:32,250
think we'll never get a full answer or

2846
02:06:37,620 --> 02:06:35,590
have all the answers that would satisfy

2847
02:06:40,740 --> 02:06:37,630
our curiosity I think humans by their

2848
02:06:43,470 --> 02:06:40,750
very nature need things to be curious

2849
02:06:47,100 --> 02:06:43,480
about whether it's who's going to win

2850
02:06:49,200 --> 02:06:47,110
the football game next week or whether

2851
02:06:51,510 --> 02:06:49,210
their neighbors actually gonna go out

2852
02:06:53,609 --> 02:06:51,520
with that guy and Miriam I mean we all

2853
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:53,619
are curious about how things are going

2854
02:06:58,919 --> 02:06:57,040
to turn out so it's just started by by

2855
02:07:01,560 --> 02:06:58,929
our nature which is very curious animals

2856
02:07:03,839 --> 02:07:01,570
so I think that aspect of it will always

2857
02:07:05,550 --> 02:07:03,849
be there I think the more we know the

2858
02:07:07,890 --> 02:07:05,560
more questions we're going to have and

2859
02:07:11,790 --> 02:07:07,900
the less we're gonna realize that we

2860
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:11,800
really even though we were learning more

2861
02:07:17,850 --> 02:07:15,040
and more we realized that we know less

2862
02:07:19,439 --> 02:07:17,860
and less so it's always gonna be that

2863
02:07:21,870 --> 02:07:19,449
way I don't think that'll ever change

2864
02:07:24,410 --> 02:07:21,880
do you consider than the UFO field to be

2865
02:07:27,140 --> 02:07:24,420
a moving target as we discover something

2866
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:27,150
something renders that information

2867
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:29,770
inoperative inaccurate or takes us

2868
02:07:34,859 --> 02:07:32,800
further somewhere who knows you know you

2869
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:34,869
know I think in some cases sense the

2870
02:07:40,290 --> 02:07:38,050
word yeah but not always he goes on a

2871
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:40,300
couple more tangents what ever happened

2872
02:07:43,439 --> 02:07:41,770
to the idea of getting a psychic to do

2873
02:07:45,649 --> 02:07:43,449
some sort of reading on the show I still

2874
02:07:48,689 --> 02:07:45,659
want to do that I have somebody in mind

2875
02:07:49,379 --> 02:07:48,699
to do that I think the time might be

2876
02:07:51,870 --> 02:07:49,389
right gene

2877
02:07:53,339 --> 02:07:51,880
to get her on the show what we'll do is

2878
02:07:55,470 --> 02:07:53,349
we'll announce the actual time of the

2879
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:55,480
taping we'll field some calls during the

2880
02:08:01,439 --> 02:07:58,239
taping session and we will record the

2881
02:08:02,760 --> 02:08:01,449
results of those interactions and she's

2882
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:02,770
more than willing to do it she's very

2883
02:08:06,810 --> 02:08:05,530
confident you know her abilities I think

2884
02:08:09,629 --> 02:08:06,820
it's a great idea I think it'd be a very

2885
02:08:12,450 --> 02:08:09,639
popular show when are we doing another

2886
02:08:13,439 --> 02:08:12,460
roundtable Jane with our listeners we

2887
02:08:14,939 --> 02:08:13,449
haven't done one of those in a while

2888
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:14,949
that's something that we should also

2889
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:17,650
consider well next week we have dr.

2890
02:08:22,290 --> 02:08:20,170
Joseph Ferrell booked right

2891
02:08:24,150 --> 02:08:22,300
the week after that possibly will have

2892
02:08:26,130 --> 02:08:24,160
you on to talk about stalking the herd

2893
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:26,140
but maybe then we'll have a listener

2894
02:08:31,230 --> 02:08:28,000
roundtable to question you

2895
02:08:33,630 --> 02:08:31,240
oh that would be good that'd be fine

2896
02:08:37,980 --> 02:08:33,640
yeah I'd do that no all right here's a

2897
02:08:40,740 --> 02:08:37,990
question from team sheepsquatch who's a

2898
02:08:42,620 --> 02:08:40,750
recent signer upper oh I love these

2899
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:42,630
names

2900
02:08:48,470 --> 02:08:46,330
hashtag team sheepsquatch with a rabid

2901
02:08:51,330 --> 02:08:48,480
dog is an avatar with horns or is that

2902
02:08:55,650 --> 02:08:51,340
some demon I'm not sure oh it's a

2903
02:08:57,060 --> 02:08:55,660
Bigfoot looks mad he wants to know if we

2904
02:09:00,720 --> 02:08:57,070
want to have Bart Bell on the show I

2905
02:09:02,430 --> 02:09:00,730
respect him more than most hosts love to

2906
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:02,440
hear what he's up to his views on

2907
02:09:07,970 --> 02:09:05,290
current issues I'm not really interested

2908
02:09:13,110 --> 02:09:07,980
in having art bell on the show myself

2909
02:09:16,140 --> 02:09:13,120
maybe I doubt he'd do it but maybe he

2910
02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:16,150
would um the sheepsquatch goes on to say

2911
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:17,650
he has a personal relationship with some

2912
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:18,880
of the more questionable figures in

2913
02:09:22,110 --> 02:09:20,320
mythology and has always had an

2914
02:09:26,070 --> 02:09:22,120
interesting viewpoint well that's that's

2915
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:26,080
true what do you think would you uh

2916
02:09:35,670 --> 02:09:27,850
would you welcome art Bell on the show

2917
02:09:38,090 --> 02:09:35,680
as a guest who art Bell who moving right

2918
02:09:42,740 --> 02:09:40,950
okay I have a question for Chris this is

2919
02:09:44,940 --> 02:09:42,750
another one from Team sheepsquatch

2920
02:09:46,530 --> 02:09:44,950
you've made a couple of statements about

2921
02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:46,540
the meat we consume we purchase from

2922
02:09:52,110 --> 02:09:49,840
local stores aside from raising your own

2923
02:09:53,490 --> 02:09:52,120
animals what should we be eating you

2924
02:09:55,530 --> 02:09:53,500
know what that's the question we will

2925
02:09:57,660 --> 02:09:55,540
have to take to our next segment what

2926
02:09:59,940 --> 02:09:57,670
should we be eating should we give up on

2927
02:10:02,940 --> 02:09:59,950
McDonald's should we give up on that

2928
02:10:05,220 --> 02:10:02,950
local steakhouse what about Wendy's if

2929
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:05,230
you don't like McDonald's what should we

2930
02:10:11,670 --> 02:10:07,650
do after hearing about how they treat

2931
02:10:13,770 --> 02:10:11,680
the animals they use to make our meat I

2932
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3046
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okay Chris in writing stalking the herd

3047
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you became an expert on the beef and

3048
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cattle industry so what do we do man

3049
02:15:04,580 --> 02:15:01,619
I don't know about being an expert it's

3050
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such a huge subject I just barely lip

3051
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lick the tip of the iceberg

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I did buy quite a number of books and

3053
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read them much to my horror some of the

3054
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information that that I uncovered

3055
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especially the sanitary conditions

3056
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within the rendering bit of plants and

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in in the feed Lots where animals are

3058
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unnaturally just stacked together by the

3059
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tens of thousands and very unhealthy

3060
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well in answer to your question this is

3061
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my story I really think you should try

3062
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to eat local if you live in a city

3063
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obviously that's gonna be difficult but

3064
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if you live in the suburbs or out in the

3065
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country go to your local farmers markets

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find out who is local that raises and

3067
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renders their own animals buy eggs from

3068
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your neighbors if they have chickens the

3069
02:15:59,029 --> 02:15:55,639
Greeks called it consuming local Mumia

3070
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consuming foodstuffs that are produced

3071
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within sight of your region if you get

3072
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up on the highest hill and look around

3073
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anything that you can see in the area

3074
02:16:10,219 --> 02:16:07,739
there that has these these types of

3075
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foodstuffs would be the ideal obviously

3076
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if you live in an urban environment this

3077
02:16:23,479 --> 02:16:18,019
is problematic but you know again

3078
02:16:25,159 --> 02:16:23,489
grain-fed cage-free grain fat is bad

3079
02:16:27,709 --> 02:16:25,169
grass-fed is better you should

3080
02:16:31,159 --> 02:16:27,719
especially with beef he only eat animals

3081
02:16:33,919 --> 02:16:31,169
that have been raised hopefully an open

3082
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range and on a natural diet of grass as

3083
02:16:38,330 --> 02:16:35,519
opposed to grain grain is very bad for

3084
02:16:41,479 --> 02:16:38,340
for the cattle you know we what we pump

3085
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:41,489
16 1700 pounds of grain into the to the

3086
02:16:44,929 --> 02:16:43,290
animals at the end of their lives before

3087
02:16:47,059 --> 02:16:44,939
they're rendered just to get 400 pounds

3088
02:16:49,070 --> 02:16:47,069
of weight on them so without all that

3089
02:16:50,660 --> 02:16:49,080
grain we could be feeding the entire 2

3090
02:16:53,030 --> 02:16:50,670
billion people starving on the planet

3091
02:16:54,950 --> 02:16:53,040
aside from raising your own animals

3092
02:16:57,320 --> 02:16:54,960
what should we be eating well I I think

3093
02:16:58,370 --> 02:16:57,330
you know there are other ways to get

3094
02:17:00,860 --> 02:16:58,380
protein

3095
02:17:03,379 --> 02:17:00,870
I really have cut down on my meat

3096
02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:03,389
consumption I still eat meat I still

3097
02:17:10,400 --> 02:17:05,210
love a good hamburger every now and then

3098
02:17:12,049 --> 02:17:10,410
but I don't eat processed meat if at all

3099
02:17:15,709 --> 02:17:12,059
humanly possible I stay away from

3100
02:17:18,020 --> 02:17:15,719
processed meat um of course I'll go to

3101
02:17:20,390 --> 02:17:18,030
you know subway once in a blue moon

3102
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:20,400
because it's convenient but I really

3103
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strongly urge people to stay away from

3104
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any processed meat when you and I went

3105
02:17:31,910 --> 02:17:27,840
to Subway that time what did you have uh

3106
02:17:37,820 --> 02:17:31,920
I don't remember I probably had a the

3107
02:17:38,629 --> 02:17:37,830
salami listen this guy do what I say not

3108
02:17:41,060 --> 02:17:38,639
what I do

3109
02:17:43,419 --> 02:17:41,070
I understand I had roasted chicken yeah

3110
02:17:47,209 --> 02:17:43,429
no I remember as a kid watching them

3111
02:17:49,580 --> 02:17:47,219
slaughter chicken yeah and if I thought

3112
02:17:52,250 --> 02:17:49,590
about that for any period of time I

3113
02:17:54,589 --> 02:17:52,260
would never eat chicken either no yeah I

3114
02:18:00,260 --> 02:17:54,599
love those chickens at KFC produces with

3115
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:00,270
four wings and and four legs okay

3116
02:18:03,919 --> 02:18:02,250
another question on the same topic would

3117
02:18:08,209 --> 02:18:03,929
you eat anything from the Pacific Ocean

3118
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:08,219
and he did the meltdown in Japan you

3119
02:18:12,830 --> 02:18:11,010
know Fukushima affect the fish we were

3120
02:18:15,190 --> 02:18:12,840
eating you know I think the jury's still

3121
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:15,200
out on that I have seen some disturbing

3122
02:18:23,089 --> 02:18:19,050
results from testing of especially

3123
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:23,099
migratory fish tuna and salmon there is

3124
02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:27,090
some indication that tuna is probably

3125
02:18:31,970 --> 02:18:30,450
not the best thing to consider eating I

3126
02:18:33,560 --> 02:18:31,980
would equate it with like playing

3127
02:18:35,720 --> 02:18:33,570
Russian roulette all it takes is a hot

3128
02:18:39,980 --> 02:18:35,730
particle and you could have some

3129
02:18:43,870 --> 02:18:39,990
problems down the road we're seeing some

3130
02:18:48,280 --> 02:18:43,880
very suspicious die offs of starfish

3131
02:18:52,220 --> 02:18:48,290
we're seeing mutated bursts of animals

3132
02:18:53,990 --> 02:18:52,230
we're seeing skin lesions and other

3133
02:18:57,140 --> 02:18:54,000
other things that would indicate that

3134
02:19:00,320 --> 02:18:57,150
there's something affecting sea life in

3135
02:19:02,209 --> 02:19:00,330
the Pacific a lot of cetaceans seem to

3136
02:19:04,959 --> 02:19:02,219
be clustered around the west coast right

3137
02:19:06,410 --> 02:19:04,969
now like they've been pushed to the east

3138
02:19:08,509 --> 02:19:06,420
that's another

3139
02:19:11,660 --> 02:19:08,519
that you're not hearing much about in

3140
02:19:14,030 --> 02:19:11,670
the media I personally am NOT eating

3141
02:19:17,060 --> 02:19:14,040
fish from Pacific Ocean until I get my

3142
02:19:20,860 --> 02:19:17,070
my surplus Russian Geiger counter I

3143
02:19:23,600 --> 02:19:20,870
can't get it and go into a sushi bar I

3144
02:19:25,700 --> 02:19:23,610
love sushi it's my favorite food I

3145
02:19:26,209 --> 02:19:25,710
cannot eat it now and I'm really bummed

3146
02:19:28,100 --> 02:19:26,219
about it

3147
02:19:32,209 --> 02:19:28,110
the last sushi I ate was over a year ago

3148
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:32,219
and I'm really I'm really bummed I just

3149
02:19:37,700 --> 02:19:35,010
love I make my own sushi but right now

3150
02:19:40,640 --> 02:19:37,710
to being really honest I am really leery

3151
02:19:43,100 --> 02:19:40,650
of eating fish in Pacific Ocean I'm not

3152
02:19:44,360 --> 02:19:43,110
a big seafood eater I used to like tuna

3153
02:19:46,669 --> 02:19:44,370
fish canned tuna fish

3154
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:46,679
I'd have tuna fish on a bagel with

3155
02:19:50,570 --> 02:19:49,050
lettuce and tomato for example I haven't

3156
02:19:53,030 --> 02:19:50,580
done that in a few years and after

3157
02:19:55,400 --> 02:19:53,040
listening to something like this I'm not

3158
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:55,410
inclined to change let's get back to the

3159
02:19:59,929 --> 02:19:57,439
questions okay

3160
02:20:02,210 --> 02:19:59,939
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3161
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3163
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3166
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3167
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you and possibly give you an answer on

3168
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on the forums he goes on to say why do

3169
02:20:25,100 --> 02:20:23,310
you think threads like the conscious and

3170
02:20:27,020 --> 02:20:25,110
the paranormal lead to such endless

3171
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spiritual versus materialist worldly

3172
02:20:31,310 --> 02:20:29,400
debates on the forum is there any chance

3173
02:20:32,719 --> 02:20:31,320
people came arrive a common ground and

3174
02:20:34,670 --> 02:20:32,729
advanced a discussion are we just

3175
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hopelessly entrenched with our

3176
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respective worldviews

3177
02:20:40,820 --> 02:20:37,979
these are forums that's what you expect

3178
02:20:43,940 --> 02:20:40,830
unfortunately unfortunately they go all

3179
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over the place these discussions go all

3180
02:20:52,460 --> 02:20:48,830
over the place they sometimes diverge

3181
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:52,470
from what you expected the discussion

3182
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should cover sometimes they relate to

3183
02:21:02,390 --> 02:20:58,560
guess what stuff that may not even be

3184
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:02,400
true people hear some wacky rumor or

3185
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they post an exaggerated version of the

3186
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wacky rumor they start a threat and

3187
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people talk back and forth and you've

3188
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got a discussion going but that's how it

3189
02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:16,979
is that's how forms are yelled and if

3190
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you think for a minute that

3191
02:21:25,130 --> 02:21:22,859
talking politics religion uh you know

3192
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reality views if you're going if you

3193
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think for a second that you can convince

3194
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somebody to change their mind about how

3195
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they've made up their mind to your point

3196
02:21:38,030 --> 02:21:34,890
of view you're you're just spinning your

3197
02:21:39,500 --> 02:21:38,040
wheels and you're on a treadmill and you

3198
02:21:40,610 --> 02:21:39,510
know that particular thread that you

3199
02:21:42,110 --> 02:21:40,620
mentioned consciousness and the

3200
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:42,120
paranormal I think it's approaching a

3201
02:21:48,740 --> 02:21:43,770
thousand posts on there that's a biggie

3202
02:21:51,769 --> 02:21:48,750
I I have just stayed away from it I

3203
02:21:52,760 --> 02:21:51,779
don't really think that you know maybe

3204
02:21:54,290 --> 02:21:52,770
there's somebody out there that's

3205
02:21:56,960 --> 02:21:54,300
interested in what I have to say about

3206
02:21:58,750 --> 02:21:56,970
these things but until we can even come

3207
02:22:00,620 --> 02:21:58,760
up with a way to define consciousness

3208
02:22:03,580 --> 02:22:00,630
accurately which I don't think we've

3209
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:03,590
done really because how can you define

3210
02:22:11,120 --> 02:22:07,520
something by using it to define itself

3211
02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:11,130
you're talking in circles well it's it's

3212
02:22:14,630 --> 02:22:13,050
very difficult to use the very thing

3213
02:22:19,460 --> 02:22:14,640
that you're trying to define to define

3214
02:22:22,700 --> 02:22:19,470
itself so I think that's kind of a Zen

3215
02:22:26,059 --> 02:22:22,710
koan in action that's the sound of one

3216
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:26,069
hand slapping on that particular thread

3217
02:22:29,269 --> 02:22:27,600
and you're not gonna you're just gonna

3218
02:22:31,670 --> 02:22:29,279
keep going around and endless loops on

3219
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:31,680
that it's a mobius strip that you can't

3220
02:22:37,729 --> 02:22:34,890
get off or on you just have to disengage

3221
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:37,739
I think well pole tours goes on and says

3222
02:22:41,240 --> 02:22:39,210
could you imagine the holographic

3223
02:22:43,490 --> 02:22:41,250
universe to be true absolutely in fact I

3224
02:22:47,150 --> 02:22:43,500
think that's a very very potentially

3225
02:22:49,130 --> 02:22:47,160
fruitful model to further investigate I

3226
02:22:52,040 --> 02:22:49,140
think there is some sort of holographic

3227
02:22:56,349 --> 02:22:52,050
quality to reality into the universe I

3228
02:23:00,080 --> 02:22:56,359
think it's really I think an elegant

3229
02:23:01,519 --> 02:23:00,090
potential answer he goes on to say maybe

3230
02:23:03,440 --> 02:23:01,529
our consciousness or whatever memories

3231
02:23:06,410 --> 02:23:03,450
turn up in the case is that dr. Tupper

3232
02:23:09,849 --> 02:23:06,420
tucker describes is information from a

3233
02:23:11,929 --> 02:23:09,859
gigantic cosmic computer with that's

3234
02:23:14,389 --> 02:23:11,939
unified spiritual materialist

3235
02:23:16,849 --> 02:23:14,399
standpoints or would one or both sides

3236
02:23:18,979 --> 02:23:16,859
find that unacceptable well like I said

3237
02:23:20,570 --> 02:23:18,989
until I particularly am more familiar

3238
02:23:23,960 --> 02:23:20,580
with dr. Tucker's work I can't really

3239
02:23:27,260 --> 02:23:23,970
give an answer but you know it doesn't

3240
02:23:28,700 --> 02:23:27,270
matter what you come up with as gene

3241
02:23:31,250 --> 02:23:28,710
pointed out earlier there's going to be

3242
02:23:32,690 --> 02:23:31,260
a sizable percentage that's not going to

3243
02:23:33,830 --> 02:23:32,700
believe it in fact the very fact that

3244
02:23:35,090 --> 02:23:33,840
you've come up with them probably

3245
02:23:38,510 --> 02:23:35,100
that they're gonna take the opposite

3246
02:23:41,389 --> 02:23:38,520
view just to be contrary just to spite

3247
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:41,399
your folks yeah so you know you're never

3248
02:23:46,250 --> 02:23:43,050
gonna convince all the people all the

3249
02:23:49,070 --> 02:23:46,260
time it's it's just about virtual

3250
02:23:51,560 --> 02:23:49,080
impossibility and I think that doesn't

3251
02:23:53,630 --> 02:23:51,570
matter what subject especially anything

3252
02:23:55,150 --> 02:23:53,640
having to do with philosophy religion or

3253
02:23:58,310 --> 02:23:55,160
politics you just there's no

3254
02:24:00,620 --> 02:23:58,320
one-size-fits-all answer what works for

3255
02:24:03,230 --> 02:24:00,630
one person may not necessarily work for

3256
02:24:05,810 --> 02:24:03,240
the next guy so why are the same guy in

3257
02:24:07,490 --> 02:24:05,820
the next state you may decide and this

3258
02:24:09,469 --> 02:24:07,500
is also an argument that people make

3259
02:24:11,900 --> 02:24:09,479
well you said a year ago that you

3260
02:24:14,360 --> 02:24:11,910
thought this and now you're saying this

3261
02:24:15,349 --> 02:24:14,370
how could you contradict yourself no I

3262
02:24:17,929 --> 02:24:15,359
changed my mind

3263
02:24:27,470 --> 02:24:17,939
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3264
02:24:34,400 --> 02:24:31,041
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3270
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3271
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3272
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woman pleading for his help after a

3273
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3274
02:25:00,081 --> 02:24:58,200
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3275
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him into a telepathic love affair with a

3276
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3277
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destroying the earth and now the

3278
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3279
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3280
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3281
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3282
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3283
02:25:23,150 --> 02:25:20,610
threaten the lives of freedom loving

3284
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3285
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3286
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3287
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3288
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3289
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we live in a complicated society

3290
02:25:43,640 --> 02:25:41,641
stressful issues are always popping up

3291
02:25:45,470 --> 02:25:43,650
have you ever been treated unfairly by

3292
02:25:47,240 --> 02:25:45,480
someone have you ever been overcharged

3293
02:25:49,190 --> 02:25:47,250
for a repair have you ever sent a

3294
02:25:50,990 --> 02:25:49,200
contractor a document worried about

3295
02:25:52,791 --> 02:25:51,000
identity theft how many times have you

3296
02:25:54,261 --> 02:25:52,801
been in those unique situations where

3297
02:25:55,970 --> 02:25:54,271
you just wanted to call an attorney to

3298
02:25:58,011 --> 02:25:55,980
find out if you're right or wrong

3299
02:25:59,240 --> 02:25:58,021
or what your legal rights are but every

3300
02:26:01,341 --> 02:25:59,250
time you think about calling an attorney

3301
02:26:03,501 --> 02:26:01,351
what do you think about first that's

3302
02:26:05,871 --> 02:26:03,511
right who do you call and how much will

3303
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3304
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3305
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3306
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3307
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3308
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3309
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3310
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3311
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3312
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3313
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3314
02:26:42,550 --> 02:26:33,750
calm or call 855 3 4 0 save 855 3 4 0 72

3315
02:26:49,309 --> 02:26:46,219
in the u.s. one in every 50 homes will

3316
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:49,319
have a break-in this year burglars call

3317
02:26:56,389 --> 02:26:52,080
it smash-and-grab police call it robbery

3318
02:26:58,760 --> 02:26:56,399
we call it avoidable we are fake TV a

3319
02:27:01,340 --> 02:26:58,770
simple electronic device that can fool

3320
02:27:03,559 --> 02:27:01,350
even professional burglars fake TV

3321
02:27:05,240 --> 02:27:03,569
easily plugs into any outlet and

3322
02:27:07,790 --> 02:27:05,250
simulates the changing colors of a

3323
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:07,800
television - a burglar it looks like

3324
02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:10,170
someone must be home watching TV so

3325
02:27:16,429 --> 02:27:11,850
they'll likely move on to an easier

3326
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:16,439
target at only 29.95 fake TV costs less

3327
02:27:20,719 --> 02:27:18,090
than a month of most alarm monitoring

3328
02:27:25,370 --> 02:27:20,729
plans and comes with free shipping order

3329
02:27:28,309 --> 02:27:25,380
your fake TV by calling 877 5 fake TV or

3330
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:28,319
go to fake tv.com that's eight seven

3331
02:27:33,439 --> 02:27:30,720
seven five three two five three eight

3332
02:27:39,110 --> 02:27:33,449
eight or fake tv.com

3333
02:27:41,360 --> 02:27:39,120
fake TV the burglar deterrent many

3334
02:27:43,099 --> 02:27:41,370
Americans suffer from digestive problems

3335
02:27:45,139 --> 02:27:43,109
often totally unaware they're not

3336
02:27:47,660 --> 02:27:45,149
absorbing essential nutrients from foods

3337
02:27:49,820 --> 02:27:47,670
and supplements dr. Peter glutton is

3338
02:27:52,399 --> 02:27:49,830
aware of the importance of healing a

3339
02:27:54,349 --> 02:27:52,409
damage to digestive system now the

3340
02:27:57,649 --> 02:27:54,359
product that I'm gonna talk about today

3341
02:28:00,229 --> 02:27:57,659
makkhi plus and it is a combination of a

3342
02:28:03,530 --> 02:28:00,239
super fruit the Mackey berry and aloe

3343
02:28:05,809 --> 02:28:03,540
vera juice now aloe vera is a very

3344
02:28:08,149 --> 02:28:05,819
interesting nutritional supplement to

3345
02:28:10,550 --> 02:28:08,159
talk about because aloe vera you know

3346
02:28:13,160 --> 02:28:10,560
it's the stuff that you put on your skin

3347
02:28:15,649 --> 02:28:13,170
if you get a burn and man it really

3348
02:28:17,780 --> 02:28:15,659
knocks down the pain the inflammation of

3349
02:28:19,660 --> 02:28:17,790
the burn and facilitates healing well

3350
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:19,670
guess what it does the same thing

3351
02:28:24,500 --> 02:28:22,170
internally that it does externally to

3352
02:28:26,660 --> 02:28:24,510
burns to soothe and heal your digestive

3353
02:28:29,269 --> 02:28:26,670
system order mackey plus today by

3354
02:28:31,250 --> 02:28:29,279
calling 85 three four seven thirty six

3355
02:28:33,530 --> 02:28:31,260
ninety six that's eight five five three

3356
02:28:36,110 --> 02:28:33,540
four seven three six nine six or on the

3357
02:28:40,170 --> 02:28:36,120
web at fire your md now calm

3358
02:28:45,429 --> 02:28:42,450
[Music]

3359
02:28:48,280 --> 02:28:45,439
hi this is nuclear physicist lecturer

3360
02:28:52,030 --> 02:28:48,290
Stanton Friedman you are listening to

3361
02:29:00,460 --> 02:28:52,040
the pair against the gold standard a

3362
02:29:02,679 --> 02:29:00,470
paranormal radio I can't believe we're

3363
02:29:04,660 --> 02:29:02,689
almost at the end of this we haven't

3364
02:29:06,490 --> 02:29:04,670
really covered near all the questions

3365
02:29:08,290 --> 02:29:06,500
out there or the comment yeah yeah we've

3366
02:29:09,849 --> 02:29:08,300
actually covered most of them well some

3367
02:29:11,439 --> 02:29:09,859
things covered similar areas it was a

3368
02:29:12,550 --> 02:29:11,449
lot of discussion back and forth mhm

3369
02:29:14,229 --> 02:29:12,560
yeah there's been some that we've

3370
02:29:18,069 --> 02:29:14,239
already were already kind of covered but

3371
02:29:20,830 --> 02:29:18,079
here's one from Eve ad who is a recent

3372
02:29:22,569 --> 02:29:20,840
well he signed up September 2012 but

3373
02:29:24,700 --> 02:29:22,579
he's only put out thirteen messages so

3374
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:24,710
and after this they'll never be a

3375
02:29:29,349 --> 02:29:27,920
fourteenth well I don't know I think

3376
02:29:30,849 --> 02:29:29,359
this was an experience that was so

3377
02:29:33,519 --> 02:29:30,859
compelling he had to speak up to

3378
02:29:35,260 --> 02:29:33,529
possibly get some insight here had

3379
02:29:36,880 --> 02:29:35,270
either of us ever heard anyone talk of

3380
02:29:40,420 --> 02:29:36,890
this phenomenon and then I had an

3381
02:29:42,939 --> 02:29:40,430
experience with well in Ohio near Toledo

3382
02:29:45,250 --> 02:29:42,949
in late 90s it looked like a roman

3383
02:29:47,170 --> 02:29:45,260
candle firework that kept splitting off

3384
02:29:49,569 --> 02:29:47,180
one ball of green light into three

3385
02:29:51,099 --> 02:29:49,579
identical balls of light then two of the

3386
02:29:52,450 --> 02:29:51,109
green balls of light would burn out and

3387
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:52,460
the third would split off into three

3388
02:29:56,620 --> 02:29:55,040
green balls of light again this happened

3389
02:29:59,649 --> 02:29:56,630
roughly eight to ten times before I lost

3390
02:30:00,910 --> 02:29:59,659
sight of it behind trees meanwhile the

3391
02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:00,920
person I was riding with in the car

3392
02:30:04,689 --> 02:30:03,290
noticed three bright or large lights at

3393
02:30:07,179 --> 02:30:04,699
the top of the tree line on the other

3394
02:30:08,500 --> 02:30:07,189
side of the highway as I turned to look

3395
02:30:09,880 --> 02:30:08,510
at rose above the tree line for maybe

3396
02:30:12,250 --> 02:30:09,890
two seconds and shot straight up into

3397
02:30:14,309 --> 02:30:12,260
the sky leaving tracers in my eyes from

3398
02:30:16,210 --> 02:30:14,319
the speed in which from which it flew

3399
02:30:17,710 --> 02:30:16,220
firstly I think that the balls of lights

3400
02:30:19,059 --> 02:30:17,720
were a distraction technique for some

3401
02:30:21,099 --> 02:30:19,069
reason I've been trying to find out if

3402
02:30:24,969 --> 02:30:21,109
any one could shed some light on this

3403
02:30:26,889 --> 02:30:24,979
for me your thoughts it reminds me in

3404
02:30:28,719 --> 02:30:26,899
some sense of the word of several

3405
02:30:33,880 --> 02:30:28,729
sighting reports from the San Luis

3406
02:30:36,880 --> 02:30:33,890
Valley in the early 90s 93 94 where

3407
02:30:38,649 --> 02:30:36,890
these objects that I've kind of dubbed

3408
02:30:42,280 --> 02:30:38,659
cheap fireworks they look like fireworks

3409
02:30:45,550 --> 02:30:42,290
that fizzle out would discharge other

3410
02:30:48,670 --> 02:30:45,560
objects from them that would briefly

3411
02:30:50,710 --> 02:30:48,680
illuminate and then fade away but having

3412
02:30:53,020 --> 02:30:50,720
three go and then to burn out and then a

3413
02:30:54,820 --> 02:30:53,030
third one pop out three more and then

3414
02:30:57,220 --> 02:30:54,830
to fallout and the third one pop out

3415
02:30:59,620 --> 02:30:57,230
three more that is a unique description

3416
02:31:03,940 --> 02:30:59,630
that I have not heard of before it

3417
02:31:08,980 --> 02:31:03,950
almost sounds like possibly a jet

3418
02:31:12,011 --> 02:31:08,990
fighter using some sort of anti-missile

3419
02:31:15,700 --> 02:31:12,021
counter measures of shooting out green

3420
02:31:17,470 --> 02:31:15,710
flares possibly you know I'm trying to

3421
02:31:18,700 --> 02:31:17,480
look at any mundane explanations that

3422
02:31:20,261 --> 02:31:18,710
would be the closest Monday and

3423
02:31:26,580 --> 02:31:20,271
explanation I could come up with some

3424
02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:26,590
sort of sub countermeasures for missiles

3425
02:31:33,790 --> 02:31:29,690
are there any Air Force bases near

3426
02:31:35,560 --> 02:31:33,800
Toledo Jean I'm not sure I wouldn't be

3427
02:31:38,261 --> 02:31:35,570
surprised of course there's wright-patt

3428
02:31:43,450 --> 02:31:38,271
which is fairly nearby yes that's Dayton

3429
02:31:46,620 --> 02:31:43,460
yeah so that would be my guess is there

3430
02:31:49,660 --> 02:31:46,630
could possibly have been some sort of of

3431
02:31:51,220 --> 02:31:49,670
training or some sort of aerial

3432
02:31:54,430 --> 02:31:51,230
maneuvers by the Air Force although

3433
02:31:57,100 --> 02:31:54,440
normally they do that in zones called

3434
02:31:59,551 --> 02:31:57,110
the gamma waves military operations

3435
02:32:02,290 --> 02:31:59,561
areas like the one in southern Colorado

3436
02:32:05,350 --> 02:32:02,300
where we train most National Guard

3437
02:32:08,860 --> 02:32:05,360
pilots other than that I don't know what

3438
02:32:11,410 --> 02:32:08,870
to say the other object which you saw

3439
02:32:12,790 --> 02:32:11,420
rising above this treeline and sheet and

3440
02:32:16,211 --> 02:32:12,800
straight up into the sky I have seen

3441
02:32:18,970 --> 02:32:16,221
that and I have no idea what it was it

3442
02:32:22,060 --> 02:32:18,980
flew way faster than any missile any

3443
02:32:26,261 --> 02:32:22,070
sort of known projectile in it left

3444
02:32:29,320 --> 02:32:26,271
behind a trail that rapidly faded but it

3445
02:32:32,350 --> 02:32:29,330
flew off so quickly off into space that

3446
02:32:35,140 --> 02:32:32,360
it disappeared I mean within less than

3447
02:32:36,940 --> 02:32:35,150
two seconds so I wouldn't know what else

3448
02:32:41,610 --> 02:32:36,950
to say about that your thoughts on that

3449
02:32:46,660 --> 02:32:41,620
Jean let's leave it there okay we have a

3450
02:32:49,720 --> 02:32:46,670
question here from Wade woods Dale who

3451
02:32:53,230 --> 02:32:49,730
got a copy of stocking two heard the PDF

3452
02:32:56,261 --> 02:32:53,240
and he's interested in a s th stocking

3453
02:32:59,290 --> 02:32:56,271
the herd centric show with mr. Perkins

3454
02:33:02,560 --> 02:32:59,300
who was my chief adviser and mentor for

3455
02:33:05,240 --> 02:33:02,570
20 years and helped me invaluable with

3456
02:33:08,270 --> 02:33:05,250
his help in researching the book

3457
02:33:10,370 --> 02:33:08,280
he will be on the show we're going to do

3458
02:33:12,980 --> 02:33:10,380
a show with David he has not been on the

3459
02:33:17,030 --> 02:33:12,990
para cast before he has agreed he does

3460
02:33:19,130 --> 02:33:17,040
not normally do radio so he has

3461
02:33:22,730 --> 02:33:19,140
graciously agreed to come on the show

3462
02:33:24,980 --> 02:33:22,740
that might be a fun one he's a very very

3463
02:33:27,560 --> 02:33:24,990
bright guy has a master's from Yale

3464
02:33:29,900 --> 02:33:27,570
University and was one of the most

3465
02:33:32,510 --> 02:33:29,910
brilliant creative thinkers that I know

3466
02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:32,520
of in the field of paranormal

3467
02:33:38,390 --> 02:33:36,090
investigation and research so we're

3468
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:38,400
looking for possibly the second or third

3469
02:33:44,960 --> 02:33:41,610
week in March to have David on and owl

3470
02:33:49,640 --> 02:33:44,970
man who has been a longtime member at

3471
02:33:50,780 --> 02:33:49,650
forum dr. Peric ascom since late 2009 he

3472
02:33:51,830 --> 02:33:50,790
asked him for there are any plans to

3473
02:33:54,740 --> 02:33:51,840
have some of the more controversial

3474
02:33:56,810 --> 02:33:54,750
characters of ufology on the show Jane

3475
02:33:59,690 --> 02:33:56,820
he's talking about a possible return

3476
02:34:02,420 --> 02:33:59,700
from Greer maybe strieber Dickey

3477
02:34:05,990 --> 02:34:02,430
Hoagland I'd love to hear this trio

3478
02:34:07,430 --> 02:34:06,000
answer some of the hard questions I feel

3479
02:34:09,230 --> 02:34:07,440
that people like Greer have been given

3480
02:34:11,900 --> 02:34:09,240
free rein to just run amok with his ego

3481
02:34:14,480 --> 02:34:11,910
lately I mean his movies Sirius was just

3482
02:34:17,180 --> 02:34:14,490
another look at me I'm wonderful project

3483
02:34:19,910 --> 02:34:17,190
which did nothing in capitals to help

3484
02:34:21,920 --> 02:34:19,920
the mystery of ufology the problem with

3485
02:34:24,140 --> 02:34:21,930
that is if you have these people on

3486
02:34:26,600 --> 02:34:24,150
assuming they'll come on and streamers

3487
02:34:27,070 --> 02:34:26,610
told us no assuming they're gonna come

3488
02:34:30,020 --> 02:34:27,080
on

3489
02:34:32,480 --> 02:34:30,030
doesn't that advance their cause give

3490
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:32,490
them more publicity they figure well I'm

3491
02:34:36,980 --> 02:34:34,560
smart enough I could weather the hard

3492
02:34:39,290 --> 02:34:36,990
questions and if they're too hard I

3493
02:34:41,570 --> 02:34:39,300
could just say they were unfair so I get

3494
02:34:44,420 --> 02:34:41,580
the sympathy vote so I don't know

3495
02:34:46,610 --> 02:34:44,430
Hoagland I might want to have on we've

3496
02:34:48,290 --> 02:34:46,620
had Steven Greer on the show a couple of

3497
02:34:50,270 --> 02:34:48,300
times in the early days of the power

3498
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:50,280
cast I'm not inclined to put him on

3499
02:34:56,120 --> 02:34:52,800
again because I think he expressed most

3500
02:34:57,640 --> 02:34:56,130
of what he believes then and we don't

3501
02:35:00,520 --> 02:34:57,650
need to revisit that

3502
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:00,530
Hoagland we asked a couple of times and

3503
02:35:04,970 --> 02:35:03,210
didn't get a positive response after

3504
02:35:07,400 --> 02:35:04,980
first getting a positive response

3505
02:35:10,340 --> 02:35:07,410
I guess the reputation of the para cast

3506
02:35:13,010 --> 02:35:10,350
preceded us again I'd be interested in

3507
02:35:14,180 --> 02:35:13,020
talking with him but you know if you

3508
02:35:20,229 --> 02:35:14,190
want somebody who tells a good story

3509
02:35:30,010 --> 02:35:25,630
okay uh well I actually agree with you

3510
02:35:32,929 --> 02:35:30,020
you legitimize their their particular

3511
02:35:34,819 --> 02:35:32,939
point of view by even having them on the

3512
02:35:38,210 --> 02:35:34,829
show in the first place you know I

3513
02:35:40,899 --> 02:35:38,220
really would like to ask some pointed

3514
02:35:43,729 --> 02:35:40,909
questions of all those individuals but

3515
02:35:47,389 --> 02:35:43,739
you know again why have somebody on just

3516
02:35:50,540 --> 02:35:47,399
to be adversarial it did to me it's not

3517
02:35:52,670 --> 02:35:50,550
even good entertainment you know I'd

3518
02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:52,680
rather get somebody on that that really

3519
02:35:58,670 --> 02:35:55,050
has possibly some insights to share and

3520
02:36:00,019 --> 02:35:58,680
and to maybe say a few things that make

3521
02:36:01,790 --> 02:36:00,029
you scratch your head and go wow I never

3522
02:36:03,979 --> 02:36:01,800
thought of it that way that's the kind

3523
02:36:06,170 --> 02:36:03,989
of guest I like well I don't mind

3524
02:36:09,679 --> 02:36:06,180
controversy oh if somebody has

3525
02:36:12,050 --> 02:36:09,689
controversial beliefs and those beliefs

3526
02:36:14,989 --> 02:36:12,060
that's fine but if someone just goes out

3527
02:36:17,120 --> 02:36:14,999
on the limb way out there I'm not going

3528
02:36:19,309 --> 02:36:17,130
to do it I remember back in the old days

3529
02:36:23,090 --> 02:36:19,319
of the UFO field George Adamski the

3530
02:36:25,340 --> 02:36:23,100
contactee he was on The Late long-john

3531
02:36:27,529 --> 02:36:25,350
double radio show and you can tell when

3532
02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:27,539
Long John had him on his TV show that

3533
02:36:32,330 --> 02:36:30,090
was a wink in John's eye he knew this

3534
02:36:33,859 --> 02:36:32,340
guy was telling a story and that was

3535
02:36:36,319 --> 02:36:33,869
fine he knew it was entertainment that

3536
02:36:41,059 --> 02:36:36,329
was fun the problem is here is that too

3537
02:36:42,739 --> 02:36:41,069
many people UFOs are reality shows so

3538
02:36:44,569 --> 02:36:42,749
instead of actually looking into a

3539
02:36:46,279 --> 02:36:44,579
mystery a genuine mystery people are

3540
02:36:47,510 --> 02:36:46,289
having strange experiences we need to

3541
02:36:51,429 --> 02:36:47,520
understand what's going on

3542
02:36:54,410 --> 02:36:51,439
is it ET is it secret military weapons

3543
02:36:58,609 --> 02:36:54,420
interdimensional creatures another race

3544
02:37:01,989 --> 02:36:58,619
here so many mysteries to cover but when

3545
02:37:05,989 --> 02:37:01,999
TV covers it they use the reality show

3546
02:37:09,710 --> 02:37:05,999
meme for all this and so we get nowhere

3547
02:37:11,719 --> 02:37:09,720
and we don't really learn about what's

3548
02:37:13,639 --> 02:37:11,729
going to happen well I think we've just

3549
02:37:15,769 --> 02:37:13,649
about come to the end of this and we're

3550
02:37:20,149 --> 02:37:15,779
about ready to do our goodbyes for the

3551
02:37:21,830 --> 02:37:20,159
week well that went fast wow I didn't

3552
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:21,840
know if I could hang out because I said

3553
02:37:27,469 --> 02:37:25,050
I getting over a virus Chris you've got

3554
02:37:29,450 --> 02:37:27,479
30 seconds give us the pitch for your

3555
02:37:33,140 --> 02:37:29,460
site and stalking the herd

3556
02:37:35,210 --> 02:37:33,150
yeah the book was sent by the printer

3557
02:37:37,940 --> 02:37:35,220
it's arrived at the publishers there's

3558
02:37:41,090 --> 02:37:37,950
I'm not sure how many copies I think

3559
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:41,100
2500 3000 I believe will be in the first

3560
02:37:46,430 --> 02:37:43,770
print run so I'm expecting to have my

3561
02:37:49,550 --> 02:37:46,440
books in a couple of days after you hear

3562
02:37:51,080 --> 02:37:49,560
this broadcast so that's really good

3563
02:37:53,510 --> 02:37:51,090
news I can't wait to get my hands on it

3564
02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:53,520
I'm wondering how many of these monsters

3565
02:37:58,370 --> 02:37:55,770
are gonna fit in a case it could be too

3566
02:38:00,980 --> 02:37:58,380
many but yeah if you want to know more

3567
02:38:04,190 --> 02:38:00,990
about my work go to our strange planet

3568
02:38:05,990 --> 02:38:04,200
calm I do have a special site set up for

3569
02:38:08,210 --> 02:38:06,000
stalking the herd which is my book

3570
02:38:11,390 --> 02:38:08,220
that's gonna be available next week

3571
02:38:12,860 --> 02:38:11,400
finally in its printed form if you want

3572
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:12,870
to get a PDF of it you can go to our

3573
02:38:18,440 --> 02:38:15,690
strange planet or stalking heard calm

3574
02:38:20,990 --> 02:38:18,450
and order that okay so that's it it was

3575
02:38:23,660 --> 02:38:21,000
fun Jean thank you for having me on as

3576
02:38:26,060 --> 02:38:23,670
your co-host alright and you can check

3577
02:38:28,340 --> 02:38:26,070
us out on Twitter we are the para cast

3578
02:38:31,550 --> 02:38:28,350
we are the power cast on Twitter you go

3579
02:38:34,400 --> 02:38:31,560
to the para cast comm to check our site

3580
02:38:37,340 --> 02:38:34,410
all the episodes from 2006 and also

3581
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:37,350
participate in our wild wacky para cast

3582
02:38:43,040 --> 02:38:40,050
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3583
02:38:45,350 --> 02:38:43,050
Jean and Chris we talk shopping and this

3584
02:38:54,950 --> 02:38:45,360
week once again you were in Lille Peru

3585
02:39:01,500 --> 02:38:58,470
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3586
02:39:04,370 --> 02:39:01,510
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3587
02:39:08,100 --> 02:39:04,380
presentation of making the impossible